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[denno]

I'm getting tempted to take the vx to the next level and go stage 4 in the future but have been thinking whether it would be better to sell my stage 2 and buy another vx that is already stage 4 which would probably already have other uprated bits etc. Doing this would probably same me a good few £k but the problem is i love my vx and without saying too bias think i would struggle to find one in such good condition. Would any owners consider this in a similiar situation or would you bite the bullet and tune your current car? Opinions please........

[chrisgold]

Thorney stage 4 = £6349

MMG stage 4 = £3999


Now subtract the cost of parts you already have for your stage 2, now you got your self an amazing price on a MMG stage 4.

Simples!]

www.mmgpeformance.co.uk

- Liam.

(Just took my car up the bypass with my dads Triumph ST Sprint, nothing in it all the way up to 150mph, when I get stage 4 I will smoke him!!)

Edited by chrisgold, 29 August 2010 - 08:34 PM.

[The Batman]

what does a stage 4 have over a stage 2? charge cooler, vxr injectors, vxr turbo? is that all?

[ianrm]

TMS stage 4 is all of the following.


ECU remap, full Milltek exhaust system, charge cooler, supplemental radiator, lightened flywheel, Sachs performance paddle clutch, VXR Astra turbo, uprated actuator.

[The Batman]

why is it now that when anyone mentions flywheel/clutch/gearbox i just think about running away and hiding behind a tree?!

[The Batman]

courtenay £6655 tms £6349 mmg £3999 so how are mmg so cheap? i know they run larger intercooler instead of charge cooler, but do they do all the clutch flywheel work aswell?

[ianrm]

According to the MMG site it does not include a performance clutch which you would need.

[The Batman]

is an intercooler considered good enough? compared with a charge cooler system i imagine the intercooler is only really slightly bigger as it fits in the same place as the oem one doesnt it?

[Wolfstone]

(Just took my car up the bypass with my dads Triumph ST Sprint, nothing in it all the way up to 150mph, when I get stage 4 I will smoke him!!)

With all due respect, this is not the sort of thing that you should be boasting about on an open forum. And such behaviour on the open road risks giving VX owners a bad name and tarring us all with your irresponsible brush. Save your racing inclinations for the track. Its not big and its not clever on the public highway.

And just in case you want a little further sobering reading:

http://www.thesun.co...ticle232214.ece

Edited to remove any implication that I have any respect for prats such as this. Especially ones who also have DR10 endorsements on their licences.

I am 22 years old, I have a DR10 on my Licence, but I have 4 years no claims, I pay £2200 Insurance.

Edited by Wolfstone, 29 August 2010 - 10:05 PM.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

(Just took my car up the bypass with my dads Triumph ST Sprint, nothing in it all the way up to 150mph, when I get stage 4 I will smoke him!!)

Really though....? That bike is like 600bhp/ton your car is probably about 275bhp/ton?

Don't think you're doing yourself any favours on here Chris....

[turbobob]

courtenay £6655
tms £6349
mmg £3999

so how are mmg so cheap? i know they run larger intercooler instead of charge cooler, but do they do all the clutch flywheel work aswell?

The Courtenay Stage 4 is £5610 (excluding flywheel and clutch). MMG is £4694 also excluding flywheel and clutch. So MMG are about a grand cheaper than Courtenay for stage 4 without clutch & flywheel.

Note Stage 2 exhaust is likely to be 2.75 inch. To get the full benefit of stage 4, you need the 3 inch exhaust system.

Also (at you Joe) there is quite a lengthy thread about Intercoolers vs Chargecoolers on here. MMG run a considerably better Intercooler than standard. Martinimike ran his MMG Stage 4 VXR with the MMG Intercooler to and around Le Mans (i.e. in traffic and on track) in 27 degree heat. The inlet temperature never went above 40 degrees C, so yes the MMG intercooler is MORE than adequate.

[jameso]

Long tall and short of it is both systems are fine really - as long as it gives you the power you want it doesn't really matter how you get there.

[The Batman]

cool thanks for that, i think i remember someone telling me there stage 2 was running up to 65 on track but wont a standard clutch have serious problems handling all that torque?

[chrisgold]

(Just took my car up the bypass with my dads Triumph ST Sprint, nothing in it all the way up to 150mph, when I get stage 4 I will smoke him!!)

With all due respect, this is not the sort of thing that you should be boasting about on an open forum. And such behaviour on the open road risks giving VX owners a bad name and tarring us all with your irresponsible brush. Save your racing inclinations for the track. Its not big and its not clever on the public highway.

And just in case you want a little further sobering reading:

http://www.thesun.co...ticle232214.ece

Edited to remove any implication that I have any respect for prats such as this. Especially ones who also have DR10 endorsements on their licences.

I am 22 years old, I have a DR10 on my Licence, but I have 4 years no claims, I pay £2200 Insurance.

Sorry typo, I ment to say all the way up to ! 50mph there was nothing in it, I only care for 0-60 times

[jameso]

A bike should hammer anything but a hypercar 0-60 and 0-100 really. Many bikes are sub 3s

[luke.]

i normally go out with my mate and he has got a zx6r and that does 60 in like 3 secs flat.. he can pretty much achieve that every time just leaning over the tank. although with a pillion on the back it takes it to more my kinda 60 time as he cant keep front wheel down. never really raced him though as that would be stupid. just few spirited drives/rides through tunnels

[The Batman]

back on topic guys and gals

[chrisgold]

A bike should hammer anything but a hypercar 0-60 and 0-100 really. Many bikes are sub 3s

should, your not taking complete weight into account with driver etc and torques, if you work it out the car has about 100 more torques per tonne and the bike has almost 100 more bhp per tonne.

Work it out, I have,

Bike 207kg, 120bhp, 70ish torques (Then add all the extras, fluids, 100+ kg driver)

Car 900kg, 263bhp, 275 torques (Add the same to mine, only 80kg driver, you will find his power to weight drops much more dramatically than mine, also I have double the traction to put the power down and no chance of wheeleying)

Most bikers, even experienced one's cant get the fast 0-60 times without wheeleying or wheel spinning.

I think you will find, whatever the stats say, there is nothing in it.

[VXT Tim]

I'm still not convinced a larger I/c is the way to go. Price aside as I think the mmg i/c is a little steep, with ear the size it is, sticking a bigger I/c can't work as well as for eg the PA CC. We have been over this before though in the thread bob mentioned.

[Zoobeef]

A bike should hammer anything but a hypercar 0-60 and 0-100 really. Many bikes are sub 3s

should, your not taking complete weight into account with driver etc and torques, if you work it out the car has about 100 more torques per tonne and the bike has almost 100 more bhp per tonne.

Work it out, I have,

Bike 207kg, 120bhp, 70ish torques (Then add all the extras, fluids, 100+ kg driver)

Car 900kg, 263bhp, 275 torques (Add the same to mine, only 80kg driver, you will find his power to weight drops much more dramatically than mine, also I have double the traction to put the power down and no chance of wheeleying)

Most bikers, even experienced one's cant get the fast 0-60 times without wheeleying or wheel spinning.

I think you will find, whatever the stats say, there is nothing in it.

Are bike riders always fatter than car drivers? I seem to be the same weight in a car or on the bike?