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[Whiteboy]

Conclusion is that the MMG Intercooler is perfectly capable and the earth doesn't rotate around f'ing Charge Coolers

Bob you will need to get liam to show fuel trims and boost whilst on track, to convince people that ic's work. Word of mouth with this sort of money is not enough.

Steve

[VXT Tim]

I think I'd like to agree it's perfectly capable. Money does come into it and at a grand it's too close to the cc's which are better at doing the job. imo. Yes fitting costs etc etc but we all ow people who would do it for less than cs, tms etc

[chrisgold]

I think I'd like to agree it's perfectly capable. Money does come into it and at a grand it's too close to the cc's which are better at doing the job. imo.
Yes fitting costs etc etc but we all ow people who would do it for less than cs, tms etc

Chargecooler runs about 26c (36c maximum) @ 280bhp

Liams Intercooler runs about 30c (40c maximum) @ 320bhp

How is the charge cooler better?

[The Batman]

whos figures are those chris?

[chrisgold]

A bike should hammer anything but a hypercar 0-60 and 0-100 really. Many bikes are sub 3s

should, your not taking complete weight into account with driver etc and torques, if you work it out the car has about 100 more torques per tonne and the bike has almost 100 more bhp per tonne.

Work it out, I have,

Bike 207kg, 120bhp, 70ish torques (Then add all the extras, fluids, 100+ kg driver)

Car 900kg, 263bhp, 275 torques (Add the same to mine, only 80kg driver, you will find his power to weight drops much more dramatically than mine, also I have double the traction to put the power down and no chance of wheeleying)

Most bikers, even experienced one's cant get the fast 0-60 times without wheeleying or wheel spinning.

I think you will find, whatever the stats say, there is nothing in it.

Are bike riders always fatter than car drivers? I seem to be the same weight in a car or on the bike?

My point is 100kg drops the bikes bhp per tonne a hell of alot more than it drops the cars, also you have to take into account the bikes pathetic Torque.

[chrisgold]

whos figures are those chris?

They are courtneys CC tempreture/ power claims.

And they are MMG's Tempreture/ power claims. (To which I have seen with my own eyes on a hot summers day)

Far as I can see they work the same, just one is cheaper.

[denno]

Thanks for those replying to my actual question so far guys!

[LazyDonkey]

My point is 100kg drops the bikes bhp per tonne a hell of alot more than it drops the cars, also you have to take into account the bikes pathetic Torque.

My bike has 84 torques

....which is far from pathetic

Deno - in answer to yoru question, it all depends on what you want out of your car, most reports seem to suggest that at stage 4 levels you start to get into the law of diminishing returns.

What is your stage 2 missing?

Edited by LazyDonkey, 30 August 2010 - 11:57 AM.

[denno]

My point is 100kg drops the bikes bhp per tonne a hell of alot more than it drops the cars, also you have to take into account the bikes pathetic Torque.

My bike has 84 torques

....which is far from pathetic

Deno - in answer to yoru question, it all depends on what you want out of your car, most reports seem to suggest that at stage 4 levels you start to get into the law of diminishing returns.

What is your stage 2 missing?

I guess it's a case of just being used to the power now, had the car 3 and a half years now and around 2 years as a stage 2. I guess as an overall package stage 2 is the most sensible to have but there is always room for more bhp.

[Crabash]

I guess if you are using your head you would sell and find one ready done but I like to stick with the car I know, I would just carry on with mine. Also depends if you are likely to keep the car or sell up in a year or 2. Also what I found was doing other things rather than power upgrades have given me a rekindled enthusiasm for the car, i have had it 5.5 years now and all I've done to the engine side is added a cat back exhaust, mainly to hear it when on track and a few free pikey mods to the intake, I really can't see where more power is going to make it more fun, but I tootle around on the roads (mostly) and save the fun bit for the track. Having said that when I have the rest done I will add more power.

Edited by Crabash, 30 August 2010 - 12:17 PM.

[Bargi]

Thanks for those replying to my actual question so far guys!

So Stage 4's coming up for sale are pretty rare and if does come up there's a chance it's not in the condition or colour you want.
You're at Stage 2 already with a car you like, give it an early Christmas present

[Darcini]

Are bike riders always fatter than car drivers? I seem to be the same weight in a car or on the bike?

Yep, particularly middle aged born again bikers on Harley Davidsons

[two4oneuk]

Stage 4 is only the start!!! You will then be needing Suspension . I felt mine was on the limit with a stage 2 16/17 combo. Standard tyres are shite when trying to put 280+bhp through them Brakes. Minimum of decent pads. LSD. Huge difference this makes. Might allow the standard tyres a chance to grip Klasen manifold just to try a get to nearer 300bhp aet turbo to get over 300 bhp 3" Chris Tullet exhaust. Sounds superb compared to a 2.5" Miltek If you go for a stage 4 and all the bits looks closer to 10K than 6Kish......

[MrSimba]

There's a very well known member on here who had a ST4+ then drove a St2 with standard wheels & tyres and could not believe how much more compliant and capable the St2 was on 'normal' A & B roads... Much faster 'point to point' than the St4!

[Darcini]

Wouldn't argue with the above, however for purely road driving "stage 2" probably isn't that much less effective /enjoyable than 300bhp+. Don't get me wrong 315bhp is great, the acceleration is addictive and then some, but don't neglect brakes and shocks at the expense of outright power re two4oneuk's post

Edited by DARCINI, 30 August 2010 - 09:23 PM.

[turboluca]

There's a very well known member on here who had a ST4+ then drove a St2 with standard wheels & tyres and could not believe how much more compliant and capable the St2 was on 'normal' A & B roads... Much faster 'point to point' than the St4!

who was that then,can you run stock suspension on a stage 4

[chrisgold]

There's a very well known member on here who had a ST4+ then drove a St2 with standard wheels & tyres and could not believe how much more compliant and capable the St2 was on 'normal' A & B roads... Much faster 'point to point' than the St4!

in his opinion

[MrSimba]

There's a very well known member on here who had a ST4+ then drove a St2 with standard wheels & tyres and could not believe how much more compliant and capable the St2 was on 'normal' A & B roads... Much faster 'point to point' than the St4!

in his opinion

I think you'll find his opinion is highly regarded on here...

Edited by MrSimba, 30 August 2010 - 09:28 PM.

[VXT Tim]

There's a very well known member on here who had a ST4+ then drove a St2 with standard wheels & tyres and could not believe how much more compliant and capable the St2 was on 'normal' A & B roads... Much faster 'point to point' than the St4!

in his opinion

[cramman]

Wouldn't argue with the above, however for purely road driving "stage 2" probably isn't that much less effective /enjoyable than 300bhp+. Don't get me wrong 315bhp is great, the acceleration is addictive and then some, but don't neglect brakes and shocks at the expense of outright power

re two4oneuk's post

I was wondering how useable a stage 4 car is everyday. Ie normal drives, traffic etc.

I'm sure on track there's not much that can come close.