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Posted 31 July 2007 - 01:04 PM


my husband's saab has been in and out of various saab dealers in the last few months with gearbox trouble, the other day he was doing something to the windscreen when he noticed that somebody has scraped the roof of the car then attempted to patch it up really badly - it obviously must have been done recently in one of the garages, but we don't know which one so can't do anything, they're all proper saab dealerships and they pull this sort of scam on us - so it's not just vauxhall that are complete buggers.....!


Vauxhall own Saab do they not?

No.


GM own vauxhall and SAAB amongst many others, but dealers are normally franchised businesses.

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Posted 31 July 2007 - 01:34 PM

.......... you are entitled to a vehicle of equivalent quality at the cost of the liable party.................


Wish i had known that it was that specific when my last vx was written off due to a idiot running a red light, i would have complained as they only gave me a slow lowly lotus, which i think is a downgrade!!! :D :P

PS. I feel for you, when mine was wrecked i was close to tears, which is quite bad!!! Good luck, i hope they get the deserved punishment and you the appropriate fix/payout.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 11:31 AM

Okie dokie. The dealership in question, Grasmere, have just contacted me to explain what has happened, it does appear that the weather on the day was terrible and yes a technician lost control of the car on a tight bend behind the dealership resulting in contact with the kerb and damage to the side sill. The dealership spoke with Stu, apologised and (I believe) furnished him with a Scooby courtesy car they offered to repair the damage and informed their insurance company. Stu wasn't happy with the idea that Grasmere repair the car (understandable to some extent, however I've seen some of their repair work to VX's and have been impressed) so contacted us to see if we can sort it of course we can. We've now been contacted by the insurers who have confirmed that they are happy to pay for the car to be recovered here, repaired by us and delivered back and we are arranging this now. Dave from Grasmere has called me (he's not the MD but aftersales Director - so still pretty senior) and has basically said he would like the car looked after to the highest level, they regret what happened but sometimes accidents happen, they'd rather repair the car themselves (naturally) but are happy for us to repair it on the basis that they want it done to the highest level. I think this is a case of a slight communication breakdown between the parties, I know Grasmere pretty well personally and I've always been impressed with them, interestingly I've been dealing with Stu's car not connecting it with this thread (which after the first apge I've not read - until now). Bottom line, Grasmere are sorry it happened, have made all the right steps to have the car repaired (in this case by us) and want to ensure that people can see they are not the type of dealer to run and hide. We'll sort Stu's car for him so its repaired as new and everyone can put it behind them. ok?

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 11:56 AM

Okie dokie.

The dealership in question, Grasmere, have just contacted me to explain what has happened, it does appear that the weather on the day was terrible and yes a technician lost control of the car on a tight bend behind the dealership resulting in contact with the kerb and damage to the side sill. The dealership spoke with Stu, apologised and (I believe) furnished him with a Scooby courtesy car they offered to repair the damage and informed their insurance company.

Stu wasn't happy with the idea that Grasmere repair the car (understandable to some extent, however I've seen some of their repair work to VX's and have been impressed) so contacted us to see if we can sort it of course we can. We've now been contacted by the insurers who have confirmed that they are happy to pay for the car to be recovered here, repaired by us and delivered back and we are arranging this now.

Dave from Grasmere has called me (he's not the MD but aftersales Director - so still pretty senior) and has basically said he would like the car looked after to the highest level, they regret what happened but sometimes accidents happen, they'd rather repair the car themselves (naturally) but are happy for us to repair it on the basis that they want it done to the highest level.

I think this is a case of a slight communication breakdown between the parties, I know Grasmere pretty well personally and I've always been impressed with them, interestingly I've been dealing with Stu's car not connecting it with this thread (which after the first apge I've not read - until now). Bottom line, Grasmere are sorry it happened, have made all the right steps to have the car repaired (in this case by us) and want to ensure that people can see they are not the type of dealer to run and hide. We'll sort Stu's car for him so its repaired as new and everyone can put it behind them.

ok?


Sound like a good solution to me....! At least Grasmere have had the grace to admit the error of their (or thier mechanic's) ways and have now taken steps to resolve it thumbsup

These things do take time in my experience but as long as all parties are upfront about what is going on then it does certainly help.....

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 12:19 PM

Okie dokie.

The dealership in question, Grasmere, have just contacted me to explain what has happened, it does appear that the weather on the day was terrible and yes a technician lost control of the car on a tight bend behind the dealership resulting in contact with the kerb and damage to the side sill. The dealership spoke with Stu, apologised and (I believe) furnished him with a Scooby courtesy car they offered to repair the damage and informed their insurance company.

Stu wasn't happy with the idea that Grasmere repair the car (understandable to some extent, however I've seen some of their repair work to VX's and have been impressed) so contacted us to see if we can sort it of course we can. We've now been contacted by the insurers who have confirmed that they are happy to pay for the car to be recovered here, repaired by us and delivered back and we are arranging this now.

Dave from Grasmere has called me (he's not the MD but aftersales Director - so still pretty senior) and has basically said he would like the car looked after to the highest level, they regret what happened but sometimes accidents happen, they'd rather repair the car themselves (naturally) but are happy for us to repair it on the basis that they want it done to the highest level.

I think this is a case of a slight communication breakdown between the parties, I know Grasmere pretty well personally and I've always been impressed with them, interestingly I've been dealing with Stu's car not connecting it with this thread (which after the first apge I've not read - until now). Bottom line, Grasmere are sorry it happened, have made all the right steps to have the car repaired (in this case by us) and want to ensure that people can see they are not the type of dealer to run and hide. We'll sort Stu's car for him so its repaired as new and everyone can put it behind them.

ok?



But doesn't poor old Stu still lose thousads on the re-sale value of his car? Accidents happen but in the end the only person who loses out is Stu.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 12:44 PM


But doesn't poor old Stu still lose thousads on the re-sale value of his car? Accidents happen but in the end the only person who loses out is Stu.


Agreed, while the car won't be registered as a write off, it'll not take much effort for a prospective buyer to find out that it was crashed and repaired all of which wasn't stu's fault.

And I dont care how bad the weather it's very hard to loose a NA round a corner.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 01:30 PM

Depends on the damage. Judging from the description it needs a replacement side sill, a suspension check and geo. A replacement sill is just as good (if not better) than the original and we blend the whole car if need be so that its perfect. The test for us on any crash repair is can *we* tell if its been repaired whilst inspected on a ramp then it fails and we re-do it. We regularly get asked to do pre buy inspections for people and if something has been repaired so long as the body work is replaced and not repaired and any ancillory repair is done well then it wouldn't affec the value at all. In other word if car has had a clam replaced then it makes no difference to a new car value assuming any other damage has been repaired.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:03 PM

Here are some pics of the damage and where it happened.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:12 PM

As you can see on the pictures the frame is damaged as well :(

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:24 PM

That look to have damaged the Ali tub from those photos. :( Edit: Looking again, it looks from the top one like there's a big crease in the floor pan

Edited by Winstar, 02 August 2007 - 02:26 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:36 PM


The dealership spoke with Stu, apologised and (I believe) furnished him with a Scooby courtesy car they offered to repair the damage and informed their insurance company.



just to clarify the dealership did not give me the Subaru they offered me a corsa! courtesy car that i declined , I am using an accident management company Kindertons that have provided me with a similar like for like car unfortunately I did not get the WRX but just the standard 2.0 sport, a better option than the corsa.

Edited by stu-vx200, 02 August 2007 - 02:48 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:41 PM

a technician lost control of the car on a tight bend behind the dealership resulting in contact with the kerb

Looking at those pictures something doesn't add up for me

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if the technician lost control on the corner surley he would of skidded of in the general area of the green bin ? - to make it all the way to the point of contact he must of been really shifting/fishtailling.

Secondly
There are no skid marks out of the corner.

Thirdly
if the damage to the car is on the right/drivers side surley he must of lost the back whilst turning left ?

Fourthly
The fact there is a skid mark for the front wheel suggests the technician also lost the front

I take it the little bay where the impact occured is just a couple of parking spaces for the building on the very left of the top picture.

I ain't no expert of course but judging from the skid marks i would say that the technichian was trying to bring the back end round into the bay and probably pushed a little too hard which resulted in him/her losing the front at the same time which resulted in the sideways skid into the kerb.

Edited by vx_fiend, 02 August 2007 - 02:51 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:48 PM

Looking at that road surface you can see that it is a very fine bead and therefore offers little grip when wet. I would suggest that the driver came around the bend, the back end began to slide ( as in oversteer) with the car spinning in a clockwise motion. I would suggest that the driver then panicked and lifted off the throttle to cause the car to start to spin in an anti-clockwise direction (or tank slapper). At this point I would say that the car was beyond control(well to a layman driver) and the car then slid into kerb on the right hand side of the car. One thing is clear that the technician was driving too fast for the conditions!!!

Edited by ad172, 02 August 2007 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:58 PM

by the looks of the kerb/wall the damage could easily have been a lot worse! still, tbh, if I was looking for a new car and i found out that the car in question had been damaged, regardless of repair, i would steer well clear. Thorney - I'm 100% sure you guys will repair the car perfectly, it's just human nature to be wary of any damage to a car when you could probably buy a car for the exact same money (based on the steady resale value of these cars) that hadn't been in an accident

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 03:01 PM

I have used Grassmere Vauxhall in crew a number of times for service mot and to replace a radiator under warranty. All work has been fine with no problems. But I will not be taking it back to them (partly because I have just discovered Blink Motor sport is on my doorstep). The mechanic must have been canening it to have got it into a sideways slide along that short length of industrial estate road??? Make me now wonder how mine was driven? Confidence gone no more Grassmere for me. My car was always filthy when I picked it up as well, guess I was Lucky that is all that was wrong. Hope everything gets sorted Stu. Cheers Oakmere

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 03:13 PM

As a hypothetical if you had two cars of same spec / mileage / condition / colour etc and one had been accident damaged / repaired. I'm confident that everyone would opt for the non-accident damaged car. This must be so frustrating because no matter how good the repair, and I'm sure TMS will do a very good job, Stu's car has been damaged through absolutly no fault of his own!!! :angry:

Edited by ad172, 02 August 2007 - 03:13 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2007 - 03:22 PM


This must be so frustrating because no matter how good the repair, and I'm sure TMS will do a very good job, Stu's car has been damaged through absolutly no fault of his own!!! :angry:


Yes, - but to be fair, - they did offer him a Corsa to drive in the meantime.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 03:29 PM

Looking at that road surface you can see that it is a very fine bead and therefore offers little grip when wet. I would suggest that the driver came around the bend, the back end began to slide ( as in oversteer) with the car spinning in a clockwise motion. I would suggest that the driver then panicked and lifted off the throttle to cause the car to start to spin in an anti-clockwise direction (or tank slapper). At this point I would say that the car was beyond control(well to a layman driver) and the car then slid into kerb on the right hand side of the car.

One thing is clear that the technician was driving too fast for the conditions!!!



Indeed, they can be tricky little bastards when they let go.

Totally gutted for you Stu - seeing this just makes me hate vauxhall dealers even more than i already do :9mm: wankers the lot of them :9mm:



I think this is a case of a slight communication breakdown between the parties, I know Grasmere pretty well personally and I've always been impressed with them, interestingly I've been dealing with Stu's car not connecting it with this thread (which after the first apge I've not read - until now). Bottom line, Grasmere are sorry it happened, have made all the right steps to have the car repaired (in this case by us) and want to ensure that people can see they are not the type of dealer to run and hide. We'll sort Stu's car for him so its repaired as new and everyone can put it behind them.

ok?



But doesn't poor old Stu still lose thousads on the re-sale value of his car? Accidents happen but in the end the only person who loses out is Stu.



Not if he sells it under the name of ImranVX220 :P

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 04:45 PM

I'd really wanted to avoid going public with this for so many reasons. However, I feel that stu-vx200 should be aware of my recent experience of having accident repairs done by TMS.

As a select few of you will know, I had an accident with my car on Easter Monday (9 April). I drove into the back of a Volkswagen Passat who jammed on his brakes at a roundabout after the Volvo in front of him did the same for absolutely no reason. This was my first "own fault" accident in 32 years of motoring. I didn’t mention the accident on here at the time as it came shortly after the sad death of Gareth Newark and colleague. My wife and I were fine and in the circumstances it seemed churlish to be complaining about a broken plastic sports car.

Although I was doing no more than 15 mph I did extensive, but largely superficial, damage to the front end of my car: clam, radiator, bonnet, headlight etc. Damages were initially estimated at £6k and ended up, I am told, at £8.5k. It was marginal for a write-off. Foolishly (as it turns out) I insisted I wanted my car repaired. Against advice I also insisted that I wanted my car repaired by TMS, a combination of lazyness - they're the closest - and misspent loyalty I guess. Suffice it to say that it was a particularly unpleasant and protracted experience. The easiest thing is for me to quote my letter of 26 July to John Thorne:

It’s now two weeks since the work on my car was finally completed and I thought I would summarize my view of the work.

Firstly, the main thing, on the face of it, the car is safe to drive. I am inevitably disgusted at the way the repairs were handled, and in no particular order:

• your lack of feedback and communication
• your rudeness and accusations of my wanting favours
• your technician’s statement that I had not booked the car in properly for accident repairs and it was a rush job (sic)
• the protracted delays – 18 April to 12 July against your original 4-6 week (end-May) estimate
• your refusal to let me take my car for snagging as arranged
• bonding the new crash box to the still bent chassis box section
• returning the car at 8pm the night before my Europe trip with the heater jammed and, more importantly, the bonnet jammed so that I could not check any of the work, fluid levels, Nitron settings etc etc
• returning the car with a cabin covered with red and black swarf
• returning the car with badly marked (not just dirty) TD wheels
• the failure to make any attempt properly to route cables and pipe work resulting in jammed cables and a mess under the bonnet
• damage to the new radiator from the bonnet hinge (not just a question of you being “picky” in wanting to make further adjustments which you agreed were cosmetic and hence I declined)
• obvious overspray on the doors

Other things like your forgetting to fit the front splitters or spray the new “V” black (you volunteered this and I agreed), not fitting the towing eye requiring the clam to come off and even your forgetting at the outset to pick the car up on 17 April are just minor annoyances but clearly indicate a lack of organization and attention to detail on your part and all give the lie to the statement on your website:

“we pride ourselves on a level of professionalism and attention to detail that not only reflects this enthusiasm but also provides a level of care to be proud of.”

Needless to say I think this concludes our professional relationship. I do not intend pursuing any remedial work with you unless anything goes seriously wrong or breaks as a result of your work. I hope this will not be the case.


The above is a huge disappointment. I had huge admiration for John when he opened TMS and again when he embarked on the 5-car race team dream. But the handling of my repair job was far below the standard I had expected.

Wherever you take you car, I hope you get it sorted stu-vx200.

Edited by VIX, 02 August 2007 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2007 - 05:19 PM

:o Christ Steve, that sucks mate.. what was the explanation for such shoddy workmanship?

Edited by R1CHY, 02 August 2007 - 05:37 PM.





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