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#41 goofballs

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 09:30 AM

Strange! Think mine works nicely, no problems, nutting extreme! Hard to distinguish between the bone-hard Bilsteins and a bump stop i gather? And what about Thorney and Jaggeler and others that have lowered the cars even further, are these guys sitting on their bump stops!!??? :lol: :lol:

Sorry, dont think so, but I may be wrong, but in the mean time I think YOU are!


Very few people have fitted after market springs on a "standard bilstein damper".

A lot of people have fitted ohlins, spax and nitrons. Which are a an aftermarket "spring and damper" combined.

Thorney has fitted Nitrons, which come with its own damper. The damper arm is a different length which allows standard wheel travel to the bumpstop. :P :P


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PS: the extra weight, may I suspect, be the issue, the best thing is to try them on your VX and see, or, ideally cancel your order and I will give you my springs for £120 (used for 10 miles).

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 09:36 AM

ideally cancel your order and I will give you my springs for £120 (used for 10 miles).

Thats a good idea, but can't you send them back as unsuitable??

The advantage of having the new ones is that if I have the same problem as you, I can send them back - I wonder if Eibachshop will sort someting out for us?

I could try yours and if I have the problems as well, may be you could send them back? :unsure:

Wodya'rekun??

Edited by Foxy, 23 July 2004 - 09:36 AM.


#43 goofballs

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Posted 23 July 2004 - 09:48 AM

I have just had a 15mins conversation with John, but to no avail. I admit that on a track day and smooth surface the spring is ideal, however on our roads, and the roads that I will be predominantly using them on it is not acceptable. John said that he cannot accept them back unless they are faulty....which is fair enough, they do what they say on the tin....however the car will be slower on a quick bumpy B-road in mid Wales, because I woudl sense that the car could potentially bump up into the air and lose traction on the rear. I have used them for 10 miles and this is what John says is a problem. When I take them off my car, you can have them towards the end of next week. cheers

#44 cicastol

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Posted 24 July 2004 - 11:56 AM

I've just taken eibach springs,arrived in only 3day from order!! Next week i'll mount them,after i will post the results of this mods... ;) Bye!

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Posted 24 July 2004 - 01:11 PM

I've just taken eibach springs,arrived in only 3day from order!!
Next week i'll mount them,after i will post the results of this mods... ;)

Thanks thumbsup
Where are you based?
NA or VXT??
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 02:07 PM

Goofballs: You mean that the bump stop is on the damper itself, like a rubber cushion? OK, thought it was somewhere in the suspension. Then I see how it could be a potential problem. However I use it on my 2.2 N/A and think it works OK. How much travel do you expect before the shock sits on the bump stop? 10-20-30 mm? And then there is the leverage in the suspenison allowing the actual wheel moving 30-60-90 mm something.. sorry still waiting for my car so I cannot make any inspections of my own. /tobbe

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Posted 24 July 2004 - 06:35 PM

Thanks thumbsup
Where are you based?
NA or VXT??

Milan Italy
NA

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Posted 24 July 2004 - 10:22 PM

Milan Italy
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Cheers

Cool, will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the springs. thumbsup Will give you a shout next time I'm in Milano chinky chinky

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Posted 26 July 2004 - 10:56 AM

Goofballs: You mean that the bump stop is on the damper itself, like a rubber cushion? OK, thought it was somewhere in the suspension. Then I see how it could be a potential problem. However I use it on my 2.2 N/A and think it works OK. How much travel do you expect before the shock sits on the bump stop? 10-20-30 mm? And then there is the leverage in the suspenison allowing the actual wheel moving 30-60-90 mm something.. sorry still waiting for my car so I cannot make any inspections of my own.

/tobbe

It is actually very difficult to judge how much travel is actually left, unless you make very accurate measurements using an angled mirror and a light, while the car is on the floor. However, I would suspect it has very little travel...making a rough guess, maybe it has 10-20mm of travel left, after the springs were fitted.

I can sense that on a smooth surface it is not sitting on the bumpstop, because the car rides smoothly, and is not hopping/oscillating (look at the back end of a Max Power car, and you will see this). It would therefore, be very good on a track day and smooth European roads. The progressive nature of the spring has been calculated to allow it to work in unison with the existing bumpstop.

However, when I travel over a bumpy road, where there are very sharp dips and bumps. Such as in Wales or the Yorkshire Dales, the car is going to hit the bumpstop very often...subconsciously I will slow down to a speed where the car does not bottom out. This is crucially why the driver does not notice that the suspension is slowing him down on bumpy stretches (he self-adjusts). For example, give a driver an understeering car and he will adjust accordingly and will work around it.

Personally, I wouldn't worry at all if you do not travel on this type of surface. There are significant other benefits to lowering the car, such as the automatic increase in negative on both front and rear wheels (this in itelf will allow the car to corner a lot harder on smoother surfaces).

I have spoken with my specialist, and he has recommended that he makes me a custom made anti-roll bar. There are anti-roll bars on the eliseparts website for £199. These will stiffen up the suspension when it corners, but it will allow the same ride quality on the straight, however these may not be suitable to the heavier VX....maybe, aftermarket anti-roll bars for the 111R will be suitable, because it weighs very similar to the VX and is likely to have similar spring rates.

Other than that, there are no other cheap ways of modifying the suspension to allow better performance.

If I was willing to pay more I would buy the Nitron or Ohlins setup, however, at the moment my budget is a little thin.


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#50 cicastol

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 10:48 AM

Great!! Eibach fitted,the front springs are a little SOFTER than original,now the car is lesser bumby on the road roughness,i've also removed the front shims to add negative camber on front wheels. The car feel really better,now understeer is really no a problem like before!!!! :D :P Next time i will try this set-up during a track day,but for the track i think is too much on the softer side...... Ride height is lowered by 20-25mm. Cheers

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 10:55 AM

Thanks for that! But you say it's softer!!! Surely that can't be right!!!! :blink: How does it feel over big bumps? Does it hit the stops? chinky chinky

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 11:59 AM

Does anyone know if it would be possible to get ScaredStiff to fit these along with a geo check? If they turn out to be generally OK for the n/a I might be interested myself. :)

#53 cicastol

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 12:19 PM

But you say it's softer!!! Surely that can't be right!!!! :blink: How does it feel over big bumps? Does it hit the stops?

chinky chinky

yes, front are softer than original,i i've not checked yet on big bumbs but probably ,like said by goofballs , it can hit the bumpstops......
I'll try to go away from bumby roads ;) ;)

#54 goofballs

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 01:23 PM

I drove the car on a mix of roads on the way back to my specialist to remove the springs. I have no doubt whatsoever that the car would lap 1-2 secs quicker round a circuit. The difference in grip and stability going round a roundabout is huge. Strangely enough the springs feel as soft as the standard suspension, but with the same steering feedback. So, for roundabouts and trackdays it gets a very big thumbs up. I then went down a B-road that I know quite well, on undulations, and dips the suspension fared quite well, then I got onto the patched up areas where there are occasional ridges (changes in tarmac). As the car was going airbourne, the song "Fly me to the moon and let me play amongst the stars" came to mind. This was down a straight that I have driven a lot quicker using standard suspension. Not very good at all, the suspension is very useable on flat surfaces, however, people could not possibly have enough confidence with this suspension down a bumpy B-road, on a long sweeping rutted bend (which you can occasionally get) the car would almost certainly kick off the ground. In the dry you would have a chance to catch it, when it settles back down, in the wet.....NO CHANCE!! I cannot be more fair and balanced than that, anyone who gets a chance to lower the car by 25mm using Nitrons or ohlins (without sacrificing suspension travel) will get a lot of enjoyment from the extra G-force that you can pull round bends, however, putting Eibach springs on your car and sacrificing the wheel travel would be a big mistake. cheers

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Posted 30 July 2004 - 11:41 AM

hmm after reading that i've just put my order on hold. I'm not so keen.

#56 cicastol

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Posted 30 July 2004 - 01:55 PM

hmm after reading that i've just put my order on hold. I'm not so keen.

Aside from the possible problem in hitting bumpstops in relly bumby roads with holes, this springs in conjunction with shims removed with added negative camber on front wheels make the car feel much better,a real step forward in handling and fun :groupjump:
And after all the car feel better on the rods roughness being less hard.

Make your's choices!!!

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Posted 01 August 2004 - 08:55 PM

Yeah, I thought this was a cheap mod so I just HAD to test it. And as Cicastol says, lowering the car AND improving the geo really tranforms the handling. Plus the looks improve!!

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Posted 17 August 2004 - 08:35 AM

Hi all ,after testing the eibach springs on the track(and road) i can say that is really well worth it,the only drawback is the little softer front,this cause some traction problem during slow 2nd gear cornering,probably to sort it out the car need a stiffer front anti roll bar..... Next time i will try the stiffer anti roll bars!!! Cheers

Edited by cicastol, 17 August 2004 - 08:36 AM.


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Posted 17 August 2004 - 08:40 AM

Thanks for the update thumbsup Did you have any problems with the suspension hitting the bumpstops?

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Posted 17 August 2004 - 09:05 AM

Mine should be here today I was told.




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