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[techieboy]

Hot Cross Buns?

Christianity's only worthwhile contribution to mankind. Yum. Oh and maybe pancake day. Double yum.

[ghand]

The ability of non believers to understand the evidence/lack of it for the existence of a God, and arrive at a reasoned conclusion from the evidence/lack of it not just weak but flawed. I'm not trying to be rude and I'm not saying these people are stupid or that they couldn't learn how to evaluate evidence properly, but presently they don't show that ability.   Does God exist? Non believers have evaluated the evidence/lack of evidence as to the existence of a God, and because they can find no evidence anywhere, they infer that God does not exist. From the evidence/lack of evidence at hand, this is the wrong conclusion.   The lack of evidence of something's existence is not proof that it does not exist. It could exist, but so far no evidence of it's existence has been found. That's not the same as proof of non existence. To reach from this a conclusion of non existence of a God is faulty reasoning. This mistaken conclusion is a binary response to the question. The correct conclusion is not binary.   So to have a correct understanding of these things and an ability to evaluate evidence non believers need to not just sharpen up their reasoning skills, but also understand why there is a need to do so. This is something they must do for themselves, and to do that a person needs to have sufficient interest in the matters at hand to take the trouble to pursue this course of action.   As to the existence/non existence of God, though non believers believe there is no evidence in support of the existence of a God, how hard have they actually looked for evidence? Have they ever really looked/searched at all, or are they just making casual superficial observations in a forum; based upon nothing more than an opinion formed without any diligent search; prejudiced by an inability to even apply a basic analytical understanding in support of their opinion? Would they even know where to look or be bothered to look given that their opinions are already formed in ignorance of what is actually required to form a valid opinion in the first place?

Mmmmm I see a very large flaw in you post. Some of the very best and cleverest people ever born since the beginning of history have searched for this evidence of yours to no avail. So if the cleverest people ever put on the planet can't find the evidence what fecking chance has an idiot like me ? 😂 So if your cleverer than all the geniuses who have searched and you have the proof at hand I will be glad to take a look 👍😂😂 Ps I won't hold my breath 👍😂 The lack of evidence is all we have to go on. Ok it's not proof as you say but it's close enough for me. It's exactly the same to believe in something you have no proof of as not to believe in it ? Isn't it ? But to commit your whole life to or blow your self up in some cases over something with no evidence of existing is in my view a tad crazy 👍😂

Edited by ghand, 25 April 2016 - 03:38 PM.

[ghand]

Who wants to go to heaven?

Mmm think we've probably done this before. Your Heaven or the one with all the Virgins waiting for you ? Oh dear your on your own 😂😂😂😂😂 Thing is what's heaven for you won't be for me and vice versa. How old will I be when I'm in heaven ? If I live to fecking 95 and go to heaven as a 95 year old for all eternity how sh*t is that 😂😂 I should have topped myself at say 20 while in my prime and spend all eternity young and fit 👍😂 If you have re married as the first wife croaked which one do you shack up with in heaven 👍😂 How do you communicate with all the millions of cave men or primitive tribes in heaven who can't speak and only grunt. Hang on they will all be in hell as they killed each other and stole stuff off each other right.So they went against the commandments. But no one had told the poor sods, that's a bastards trick to keep numbers down if you ask me 👍😂😂😂 Can you drink scotch in heaven ? Can you drink scotch in hell ? How bad is Hell ? You've only got one persons view on it and he will be very bias 👍😂 Maybe ACDC got it right in the song and Hell ain't a bad place to be 👍

[Ormes]

 

The ability of non believers to understand the evidence/lack of it for the existence of a God, and arrive at a reasoned conclusion from the evidence/lack of it not just weak but flawed. I'm not trying to be rude and I'm not saying these people are stupid or that they couldn't learn how to evaluate evidence properly, but presently they don't show that ability.

 

Does God exist? Non believers have evaluated the evidence/lack of evidence as to the existence of a God, and because they can find no evidence anywhere, they infer that God does not exist. From the evidence/lack of evidence at hand, this is the wrong conclusion.

 

The lack of evidence of something's existence is not proof that it does not exist. It could exist, but so far no evidence of it's existence has been found. That's not the same as proof of non existence. To reach from this a conclusion of non existence of a God is faulty reasoning. This mistaken conclusion is a binary response to the question. The correct conclusion is not binary.

 

So to have a correct understanding of these things and an ability to evaluate evidence non believers need to not just sharpen up their reasoning skills, but also understand why there is a need to do so. This is something they must do for themselves, and to do that a person needs to have sufficient interest in the matters at hand to take the trouble to pursue this course of action.

 

As to the existence/non existence of God, though non believers believe there is no evidence in support of the existence of a God, how hard have they actually looked for evidence? Have they ever really looked/searched at all, or are they just making casual superficial observations in a forum; based upon nothing more than an opinion formed without any diligent search; prejudiced by an inability to even apply a basic analytical understanding in support of their opinion? Would they even know where to look or be bothered to look given that their opinions are already formed in ignorance of what is actually required to form a valid opinion in the first place?

 

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers... but the fact is, knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all... so I certainly don't feel inclined to do hours of research to confirm it either way.

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

 

 

[oblomov]

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers... but the fact is, knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all... so I certainly don't feel inclined to do hours of research to confirm it either way.

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

 

 

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers...

Correct, but not correct.

 

knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all...

You have no way of knowing whether or not a definitive answer to the question would influence your life, so this is simply speculation.

 

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

Only partially true, for some people it's about 'faith' or 'belief' for some it's about what they see/hear, but for some it's about a personal experience.which transcends both of the former.

 

 

[Ormes]

 

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers... but the fact is, knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all... so I certainly don't feel inclined to do hours of research to confirm it either way.

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

 

 

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers...

Correct, but not correct.

 

knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all...

You have no way of knowing whether or not a definitive answer to the question would influence your life, so this is simply speculation.

 

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

Only partially true, for some people it's about 'faith' or 'belief' for some it's about what they see/hear, but for some it's about a personal experience.which transcends both of the former.

 

 

 

 

Yes it is indeed speculation based on what I know of myself... which is all I really have to go on, other than looking for evidence in what is simply the speculation of others.

 

Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

 

 

 

[casino]

Bet we get to 50 pages

[Harry Hornet]

Bet we get to 50 pages

 

..bet we dont, isnt the world ending later this year according to some religion or another  ...

[oblomov]

 

 

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers... but the fact is, knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all... so I certainly don't feel inclined to do hours of research to confirm it either way.

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

 

 

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers...

Correct, but not correct.

 

knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all...

You have no way of knowing whether or not a definitive answer to the question would influence your life, so this is simply speculation.

 

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

Only partially true, for some people it's about 'faith' or 'belief' for some it's about what they see/hear, but for some it's about a personal experience.which transcends both of the former.

 

 

 

 

Yes it is indeed speculation based on what I know of myself... which is all I really have to go on, other than looking for evidence in what is simply the speculation of others.

 

Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

 

 

 

 

So, do you assume there is only speculation and from that assume there is no evidence, or, do you assume there is no evidence and from that assume there is only speculation?

 

[ghand]

Bet we get to 50 pages

Do you have proof of that or is it just a belief ? 👍😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Ormes]

 

 

 

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers... but the fact is, knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all... so I certainly don't feel inclined to do hours of research to confirm it either way.

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

 

 

 

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers...

Correct, but not correct.

 

knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all...

You have no way of knowing whether or not a definitive answer to the question would influence your life, so this is simply speculation.

 

 

Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...

Only partially true, for some people it's about 'faith' or 'belief' for some it's about what they see/hear, but for some it's about a personal experience.which transcends both of the former.

 

 

 

 

Yes it is indeed speculation based on what I know of myself... which is all I really have to go on, other than looking for evidence in what is simply the speculation of others.

 

Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

 

 

 

 

So, do you assume there is only speculation and from that assume there is no evidence, or, do you assume there is no evidence and from that assume there is only speculation?

 

 

 

The latter... with the caveat that "I assume there is no conclusive evidence that has been found to date..."  

[ghand]

 

 

 

  I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers... but the fact is, knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all... so I certainly don't feel inclined to do hours of research to confirm it either way.   Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better...      

I would say that there is no real evidence to support the theory of believers or non-believers... Correct, but not correct.   knowing the answer to that question would have absolutely no influence on the way that I live my life, would have no material "impact" on me, or be meaningful to me in any way at all... You have no way of knowing whether or not a definitive answer to the question would influence your life, so this is simply speculation.     Some people have "faith" (whatever that is) and other people form an opinion based on what they hear/see, and could be swayed if they hear/see better... Only partially true, for some people it's about 'faith' or 'belief' for some it's about what they see/hear, but for some it's about a personal experience.which transcends both of the former.      

  Yes it is indeed speculation based on what I know of myself... which is all I really have to go on, other than looking for evidence in what is simply the speculation of others.   Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one        

So, do you assume there is only speculation and from that assume there is no evidence, or, do you assume there is no evidence and from that assume there is only speculation?    

  The latter... with the caveat that "I assume there is no conclusive evidence that has been found to date..."  

Well some old woman asked God to save her cat from an illnes and it got better ! Will this do ? 👍😂😂 .

Edited by ghand, 27 April 2016 - 08:30 PM.

[casino]

God works in mysterious ways, it is said. But, eventually, that cat and its little old lady will pass away. No matter how much praying this is planet earth not planet heaven. On Planet heaven you can live forever.

[KurtVerbose]

What if you commit suicide in heaven?

[SteveA]

Can I ask those who are believers in god, do you believe in ghosts?

 

Not trying to pass any judgement but am interested to see if the two are mutually inclusive.

[KurtVerbose]

There's the holy ghost - whatever that is?

[oblomov]

 

 

I have to agree with Kurt, very Matrixy 😄 You have consciousness because you brain is procesing information then you croak, it all goes black and then you have no consciousness simple 👍 😄 Why do we need any more than that ? I keep harping on about it 😄But we have millions of pounds on offer for someone to show any tiny scrap of evidence of life after death and it's never been claimed. Plenty willing to take £20 of someone so they can speak to a dead relative or plenty chasing ghosts on tv for money and plenty praying but the millions has never been claimed and I can't think why 😂😂😂😂 .

https://uk.news.yaho...-092920442.html

 

[oblomov]

 

 

 

 

 

Yes it is indeed speculation based on what I know of myself... which is all I really have to go on, other than looking for evidence in what is simply the speculation of others.

 

Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

 

 

So, do you assume there is only speculation and from that assume there is no evidence, or, do you assume there is no evidence and from that assume there is only speculation?

 

 

 

The latter... with the caveat that "I assume there is no conclusive evidence that has been found to date..."  

 

That was a rhetorical question.

 

[alexb]

 

 

I have to agree with Kurt, very Matrixy 😄 You have consciousness because you brain is procesing information then you croak, it all goes black and then you have no consciousness simple 👍 😄 Why do we need any more than that ? I keep harping on about it 😄But we have millions of pounds on offer for someone to show any tiny scrap of evidence of life after death and it's never been claimed. Plenty willing to take £20 of someone so they can speak to a dead relative or plenty chasing ghosts on tv for money and plenty praying but the millions has never been claimed and I can't think why 😂😂😂😂 .

https://uk.news.yaho...-092920442.html

 

 

That's not a scientist, it's a neuroscientist. To quote Sheldon Cooper '... it might as well be a toll collector at the Golden Gate bridge.'.

 

Seriously, what changes? When I'm hit by a rock hard enough, I die. Doesn't matter if that rock is bits in a giant computer, as long as I'm bits in that same computer, or in 'reality' not a rock at all. I can't change the bits nor my perception of reality nor the way it hits my head. Game over so to say.

[Seb.F]

But how hard have you really looked for unicorns.

What evidence/non evidence is there of unicorns existing/not existing?

What if their bodies decay unlike any other creature on this planet and that's why there are no bones? There is no evidence that suggest anything different.

What if they are invisible and that's why we can't see them? Again, no evidence against that.

What if they... blah blah. 

 

The above argument is retarded for good reason. Too much speculation and bs.   If god exists, he's a fcuking asshat and I'm glad I've had nothing to do with him.

 

If he doesn't, well, I guess I just go on enjoying my life without worrying about fairy tales. Edit: sh*t, I've succumbed to my own forum sig.