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[techieboy]

SC consumes a lot of power.... Turbo doesnt.

Indeed it does. Having followed your car around Croix a few years ago, it looked like you could have done with something to consume some of the power each time you came on boost.

[speedster]

 

 haven't heard of an SC'd engine making near 300... charge temperature appears to be one of the bigger issues

300bhp here on the M62 and has been for 4 years. I don't have OBDTuner so I don't lie awake at night panicking about intake temps. Quite a few others at or around 300bhp on the M62 before reaching for the Harrop.

 

got a chart?

[techieboy]

got a chart?

Link in my signature

[Nev]

Can' t really believe the hate I've just read before. What the hell is this all about...

Unfortunately this guy (Techieboy) is one of our moderators believe it or not; it is shameful how he behaves sometimes. Some people on here have very polarised/bigoted views, and rather than help and discuss things reasonably, seem to slag others off. I think many of us can read between the lines about why they might do that.

Edited by Nev, 03 November 2014 - 07:32 PM.

[speedster]

Nice. What intercooler setup you got?

[techieboy]

Unfortunately this guy (Techie) is one of our moderators believe it or not; it is shameful how he behaves sometimes.

If you open your eyes and focus long enough to read, you'll see I'm an Admin not a Moderator. Need your email fixing, your password resetting or a smiley adding, I'm your man. Need your head moderating, see a pshrink.  

 

But huh? What did I say this time? Is there something wrong with my reasoning or the logic of building something that effectively exists already? Did I not make a constructive observation about acquiring a turbo and having an effectively free NA at the end of it? Christ, it even reads as tacit support for having a VXT.

 

I drive a tuned turdo as my daily driver (and have had a string of stupidly tuned turbo cars from as far back as the 80's), so I'm not against them as a rule and fully agree modern turbos are the way ahead with engine downsizing.

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:14.4444446563721px;]But, I'm really sorry I don't worship at the altar of the hyper powered Garrett turbo'd VX and feel [/color]the need to win the pub pissing contest or dream of beating Gallardo's (or is GT-R's these days) away from the lights like you do. Nor brag about the thinly disguised speeds I drive at on the road in the name of "testing". I'm sorry I couldn't give a sh!t about 1/4 mile times nor even know what a good one is. I'm sorry I could care less about whether it takes 2 seconds or 2.5 seconds to overtake a car. I'm sorry if the difference between a 0-60 time of 3.2 seconds and 3.7 seconds doesn't get me excited and that I physically recoil at the noise of an atmospheric dump valve. I'm sorry I can't even motivate myself to read let alone challenge some of the bollocks you post on here for fear of setting off your complex. I've given up reading your project thread as it frankly bores me but whilst I don't pretend to understand your motivation/goals I'm pretty sure I've only posted positive comments on there and would defend your right to do whatever the fcuk you want. I'm more than secure with the power my car has and indeed, as you'd see if you bothered to read and not immediately assume every post is a thinly disguised conspiracy against you, I think my car is too powerful to be fun 90% of the time and plan to de-tune my car to a regular stage 2 SC. That's not me saying you should do the same, that's me saying that's what I intend to do. So it would seem I'm more than comfortable with the size of my manhood and don't feel any need to compensate with stupid power levels and don't feel the slightest bit of jealousy towards your car or anybody else's (well maybe Vocky's, just a little bit). It appears that you are the one with the complex of some form as you seem to see everything as a personal attack on you when you're not even in anyone's thoughts, let alone their words. Yet it's apparently fine for you to rubbish NA's and the power that they produce with regularity or take a poke at supercharged cars as it's an anathema to you that not everyone want's hyper powered cars and some people actually prefer a better balanced car with less power than it takes to make the baby Jesus cry (or to put it in a dry stone wall).

 

As you were, I'm going to go and cry myself to sleep whilst cuddling my teddy bear and trying not to dream of 500bhp.   

 

 

[techieboy]

Nice. What intercooler setup you got?

 

Just the usual stuff. Regular LSJ inlet manifold with the dual pass end plate, the ProAlloy pre-rad and a phenolic spacer. Silly pulley though.

[speedster]

Yeah! VX Rocks!

[speedster]

Not taking any sides... just hitting the throttle.

[techieboy]

No sides to take. My car was more fun as a tuned NA (yes, a measly 185bhp and barely enough torque to remove the skin off a rice pudding) and Turbos do suck sh!t and die (or that's a certain members reasoning behind twin OEM air filters) and Nev is welcome to do what he wants with his car, as are we all.

[slindborg]

I'd say win, win, but you'd still have a turdo, so not that much of a win.

SC consumes a lot of power.... Turbo doesnt. Turbo always wins..... And who will have the first KERS-electrical+turbo charger on a VX?

Sooooooooo, is a turbo 'free' power?......... I'm watching the reply to that with huge interest

[speedster]

I have an NA prepped for force induction so its not any old NA

[Exmantaa]

 

 

I'd say win, win, but you'd still have a turdo, so not that much of a win.

SC consumes a lot of power.... Turbo doesnt. Turbo always wins..... And who will have the first KERS-electrical+turbo charger on a VX?

Sooooooooo, is a turbo 'free' power?......... I'm watching the reply to that with huge interest

 

 

Nothing is free in life, so no free power...

 

(Quick answer; The turbo puts an extra load on the pistons in the exhaust phase, but it's just more efficient)

 

[Rosssco]

Do you think the LSJ ECU set-up with HP Tuners can do turbo boost control via the standard boost solenoid, or would a seperate controller be required?

[slindborg]

 

 

 

I'd say win, win, but you'd still have a turdo, so not that much of a win.

SC consumes a lot of power.... Turbo doesnt. Turbo always wins..... And who will have the first KERS-electrical+turbo charger on a VX?

Sooooooooo, is a turbo 'free' power?......... I'm watching the reply to that with huge interest

 

 

Nothing is free in life, so no free power...

 

(Quick answer; The turbo puts an extra load on the pistons in the exhaust phase, but it's just more efficient)

 

 

 

Perfect. just checking you hadnt fallen into the usual trap that the first reply suggested

[FLD]

Just read all this (Incuding techies sandy posts).  Why can we not fabricate a manifold and mount a turbo low down?  Yes, I know, laaaag.  But it'd fit in the space.  You'd need a scavenger pump for the oil system but I've seen worse systems that have worked.  Personally I'll be sticking SC but it can be done in the space available.

[techieboy]

 (Incuding techies sandy posts). 

 

There were no beaches involved in this thread at any point. Not on my part anyway.

[speedster]

Just read all this (Incuding techies sandy posts).  Why can we not fabricate a manifold and mount a turbo low down?  Yes, I know, laaaag.  But it'd fit in the space.  You'd need a scavenger pump for the oil system but I've seen worse systems that have worked.  Personally I'll be sticking SC but it can be done in the space available.

Maybe we could get someone like afi to engineer a prototype... they clearly are in that space and work with custom builds.

[Rosssco]

 

Just read all this (Incuding techies sandy posts).  Why can we not fabricate a manifold and mount a turbo low down?  Yes, I know, laaaag.  But it'd fit in the space.  You'd need a scavenger pump for the oil system but I've seen worse systems that have worked.  Personally I'll be sticking SC but it can be done in the space available.

Maybe we could get someone like afi to engineer a prototype... they clearly are in that space and work with custom builds.

 

 

But what's the point really?? To avoid losing a couple inches of boot space??

 

If you want a turbo Ecotec, there are loads of options from OEM to aftermarket, all ready to fit with various levels of compatibility...

[smiley]

tubbies are extremely rare in NL. (one pops up for sale every 1.5 year isch)

And they are fookin expensive.

And we don't like cutting into our clams.