56 replies to this topic

[slindborg]

I'd imagine the wiring harnesses being dog turd cant help the fickle ABS.

 

but it "simply being" a 2 chan setup isnt the end of the world and because it got its type approval for sale, its not "dangerous" out of the box.

 

 

as for a decent TC, I'm sure there are some out there but i'd also imagine they cost more than the RL stuff, and VX owners are pikeys when it comes to important things

 

[Mike (Cliffie)]

 

Nev cant agree on the ABS.

 

When at pembry I had Standard wheels and rubber and was getting hard pedal and early ABS kick in, it was a super hot day, actually was a really good national, what year was that? 2013? I digress. 

 

I unplugged my front N/S sensor and I had consistent hard braking with good pedal feel and no locking up, I could brake harder and later.

 

 

I think (just from reading around) that some VXs have ABS issues that are undecipherable, and I have no idea why this might be the case (other than the rotating circumference issue). However, if you can get it any ABS work well in a car, it can be a genuine accident + life saver. It's just on the VX it seems to be a fickle thing, partly due to tyre/wheel size issue and partly some other strange issues.

 

 

 

 

 

I do agree Nev so forgive the throw away and tongue in cheek remark.

 

Cars are safer with TC and ABS and they do save lives and I agree that TC would have saved many VXs from the dustpan and brush.

 

I am too cocky for my own good sometimes.

 

 

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

 

 

Nev cant agree on the ABS.

 

When at pembry I had Standard wheels and rubber and was getting hard pedal and early ABS kick in, it was a super hot day, actually was a really good national, what year was that? 2013? I digress. 

 

I unplugged my front N/S sensor and I had consistent hard braking with good pedal feel and no locking up, I could brake harder and later.

 

 

I think (just from reading around) that some VXs have ABS issues that are undecipherable, and I have no idea why this might be the case (other than the rotating circumference issue). However, if you can get it any ABS work well in a car, it can be a genuine accident + life saver. It's just on the VX it seems to be a fickle thing, partly due to tyre/wheel size issue and partly some other strange issues.

 

 

 

 

 

I do agree Nev so forgive the throw away and tongue in cheek remark.

 

Cars are safer with TC and ABS and they do save lives and I agree that TC would have saved many VXs from the dustpan and brush.

 

I am too cocky for my own good sometimes.

 

 

 

 

I agree on the whole that ABS and TC saves lives and makes cars safer, but on the VX220 I believe that the ABS is borderline dangerous.  

[Nev]

 

 

Nev cant agree on the ABS.

 

When at pembry I had Standard wheels and rubber and was getting hard pedal and early ABS kick in, it was a super hot day, actually was a really good national, what year was that? 2013? I digress. 

 

I unplugged my front N/S sensor and I had consistent hard braking with good pedal feel and no locking up, I could brake harder and later.

 

 

I think (just from reading around) that some VXs have ABS issues that are undecipherable, and I have no idea why this might be the case (other than the rotating circumference issue). However, if you can get it any ABS work well in a car, it can be a genuine accident + life saver. It's just on the VX it seems to be a fickle thing, partly due to tyre/wheel size issue and partly some other strange issues.

 

 

 

 

 

I do agree Nev so forgive the throw away and tongue in cheek remark.

 

Cars are safer with TC and ABS and they do save lives and I agree that TC would have saved many VXs from the dustpan and brush.

 

I am too cocky for my own good sometimes.

 

 

 

 

 

How refreshing for this place, acceptance of logic and change of heart. Long may it live!  

[B1RMA]

One of the main reasons I paid out for the 4 channel ABS module was after reading about 'ice mode' on here, as I intended to change the wheels to 16's and 17's TD's.

So hopefully along with the Racelogic unit I can enjoy my VX, erring more on the safety side, at a cost of course but I am having the RL unit fitted in a way I can remove it if the eventual new owner doesn't think it's worth having. I suppose the same applies to the ABS unit as I have retained the 2 channel module. 

[Doctor Ed]

Fwiw there's s NIB racelogic TC for sale on the German forums today

[james_ly]

I agree on the whole that ABS and TC saves lives and makes cars safer, but on the VX220 I believe that the ABS is borderline dangerous.

 

Yep, it's utterly crap (on my 2002 NA at least). When I had standard wheels are tyres I could repeatedly trigger it with light braking at Quarry (Castle Combe). I think bumps trigger it. Switched off gives the car so much more performance on track and probably the road too.  

[Nev]

 

I agree on the whole that ABS and TC saves lives and makes cars safer, but on the VX220 I believe that the ABS is borderline dangerous.

 

Yep, it's utterly crap (on my 2002 NA at least). When I had standard wheels are tyres I could repeatedly trigger it with light braking at Quarry (Castle Combe). I think bumps trigger it. Switched off gives the car so much more performance on track and probably the road too.
 

 

 

Did you have the exact same OEM standard tyres and sizes and was the ABS light off under "normal" circumstances (i.e. before deliberately switching the ABS off)?

 

Edited by Nev, 15 July 2016 - 11:54 AM.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Nev, there are definitely some VX's out there that the ABS does not work as intended even on standard wheel tyre combos and with the ABS light off under normal circumstances. 

 

It happened on my 2001 NA on the road on a number of occasions and on track it was borderline dangerous. Switching it off made a huge difference.

[glitch]

Thread drift, what is the pedal feel like with abs disconnected? Does it become like a normal unassisted system? My Elise had fantastic brakes, and I was not so impressed with the brake feel on the Speedster I drove and it was on the same type of pads as thr Elise had.

[james_ly]

 

 

I agree on the whole that ABS and TC saves lives and makes cars safer, but on the VX220 I believe that the ABS is borderline dangerous.

 

Yep, it's utterly crap (on my 2002 NA at least). When I had standard wheels are tyres I could repeatedly trigger it with light braking at Quarry (Castle Combe). I think bumps trigger it. Switched off gives the car so much more performance on track and probably the road too.
 

 

 

Did you have the exact same OEM standard tyres and sizes and was the ABS light off under "normal" circumstances (i.e. before deliberately switching the ABS off)?

 

 

 

Yep at the time I was on standard wheels fitted with 175/55/17 Bridgestone tyres, standard Bilstein suspension and geo.

I get the impression that the Turbo is less affected.
 

[garyk220]

Turbo and some of the later NAs had a reflashed ABS system. I think there was an option to get the dealer to apply it to early NAs on request.

 

Not a complete solution as it is still a 2 channel system, but I never suffered from ice mode in my turbo. It happened several times before I lerned to drive around it in my 2001 NA.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Thread drift, what is the pedal feel like with abs disconnected? Does it become like a normal unassisted system? My Elise had fantastic brakes, and I was not so impressed with the brake feel on the Speedster I drove and it was on the same type of pads as thr Elise had.

Feels the same as the system still remains servo assisted. Just loses the Ice Mode issue.

 

If the Ice Mode does not kick in on yours, leave the ABS alone and on.

[glitch]

Thanks Mike!

[piwo]

There is an alternative to Racelogic TCS, it is called RaceTCS. Few forum members have it already in their VX220.
www.racetcs.com

And new lap record with racetcs
http://masatech.pl/i...nlinestr=wyniki

Edited by piwo, 15 August 2018 - 07:42 AM.

[turbo boy]

Hi Piwo / all,

I agree that TC is a very worthwhile mod. Interested in this set up. Just had a look at their web site.

Does anyone know how much it is?
Does anyone know a specialist that can do the installation as this is well beyond my ability?

Kind regards,

Jon

[turbo boy]

I have e mailed them to see if they would be willing to entertain a group buy 👍

[siztenboots]

a bit less right foot?

[turbo boy]

Just received the following reply:

 

The TCS regular price is £250

 

If we purchased 5 pieces, they could do it for £1150 (that's £230 each)

 

If we ordered 10, they could do it for £2200, so £220 each.

 

The owner Jacek is even willing to come out and fit it for £100 per install if we met centrally and purchased at least 5.

 

Sounds pretty reasonable to me so Im in. Shall I start a group buy?

 

Jon

 

 

[turbo2015]

Just received the following reply:

 

The TCS regular price is £250

 

If we purchased 5 pieces, they could do it for £1150 (that's £230 each)

 

If we ordered 10, they could do it for £2200, so £220 each.

 

The owner Jacek is even willing to come out and fit it for £100 per install if we met centrally and purchased at least 5.

 

Sounds pretty reasonable to me so Im in. Shall I start a group buy?

 

Jon

 

Thats good value, how to they compare to the Racelogic units, anyone had both.