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[coldel]

 

If only we had some sort of agreement with a large land mass which could provide food for us without tariffs and checks, that given our relatively small size vs population size, where we rely on food imports, that we had some sort of arrangement where we could just get food in and focus on using our land space on things we are good at...

So that'll be the US then, certainly not Europe. Europe food production is massively inefficient.

 

 

One third of all food imports come from the EU, indeed many of our common food groups are solely sourced from the EU. With the govt. promising food standards will match current strict EU standards when creating new trade deals, a deal with the US which generally has lower standards will be, interesting. 

[Jetpilot]

In return for theirs    

 

Anyway. We should be eating more plants etc. that's a good call. I wouldnt be surprised if climate gets called out at some point, some parties are weaker on this than others and is an easy hit if they want it. Whether the general voting population takes any notice...

 

I guess there is a reason they want to fish our waters though Col and get 80% of their quotas in UK seas  

 

I owe you a beer anyway, pop down sometime and have a chat with some fishermen i know, see if they think they got a good deal Very easy to sit in your london centric bubble and point out all the positives, of which there are no doubt many, but many people, well 17.4 million think its time to go it alone and see what we can make of it. 

[coldel]

Having lived in multiple countries, multiple counties as well as by the coast and inland in my life, think I have a lot more experience than you give me credit for JP 

 

No doubt fisherman aren't happy, but then they are not the majority (as leavers so often point out) and in fact if you look at the country objectively they are a tiny percentage of what makes up the income and GDP generation of the country. They are an emotional lever used to drive the message surely thats obvious, are we going to become a global fishing powerhouse where fishing delivers half the countries GDP post EU-exit?

 

Anyway, I agree we should leave as we voted, but not under crash and burn no deal (hence my disgust around Boris who has the ERG hand shoved up his backside operating his mouth) which throws the country to the wolves. 

[techieboy]

If he gets a 50+ seat majority, he can tell the ERG to FRO if he wants to, just like he did with the DUP.

[C8RKH]

Boris got a deal but it was voted down. He might have the ERG hand shoved up his backside but he had the Leavers c**k wedged firmly in his mouth then.

I think we are losing sight of tactics to overcome the fact that parliament wants to frustrate and deny the majority.

[Ivor]

The fundamental issue, which everyone, and I mean everyone, ignores is that there are just too many people on this planet of ours and the population graph is only going in one way. Painful reality check time.

Thought population growth was stalling? But apart from that fully agree, it's a fundamental problem, we UK cannot feed our population, yet we continue to grow , as for growing biofuel crops, when we cannot feed the world, my mind just boggles

There seem to be a lot of solar farms popping up on farm land, more so over the last few years. This has got to have a knock on effect that there's less food farmed.

Can still graze sheep round them, tough luck veggies

[techieboy]

And Corbyn wants to wind back the clock to the 70's are far as union powers go.

 

[coldel]

Boris got a deal but it was voted down. He might have the ERG hand shoved up his backside but he had the Leavers c**k wedged firmly in his mouth then.

I think we are losing sight of tactics to overcome the fact that parliament wants to frustrate and deny the majority.

 

Its worth nothing this has been the case all along, including when Boris and the ERG used parliament to undermine the previous leaders deal attempts including shouting down the backstop solution which was proposed by the EU which he has now put in place claiming it is his - if Boris was more concerned about Brexit instead of becoming PM its very likely we would have been out of the EU months ago. But thats the nature of a split parliament each side will have the strength to prevent the other making progress, again though the people wanted the power in parliament, and here we have it. 

 

Back on track, another poll this morning shows Tories way out in front. Corbyn is providing no credible opposition this time around and I think the Tories will get a comfortable majority this time. Especially as how weak and polarising the Lib Dems have gone, they could have made great ground in this election but their unilateral stance on Brexit I think is hurting them, they made a bad call there. 

Edited by coldel, 28 November 2019 - 08:47 AM.

[coldel]

And Corbyn wants to wind back the clock to the 70's are far as union powers go.

 

 

Yes totally, Corbyn wants to drag us back to the dark ages - I am already preparing myself for a months worth of strikes on South West Rail starting on Monday. Thats the problem, do you choose a morally bankrupt, institusionalised cheating liar who will shaft the country and every individual in it for his own personal gain vs an anti-semitic backwards thinking nationalist (dare I say communist) vs no one of any other note. It's like choosing how you would like to be executed lol

Edited by coldel, 28 November 2019 - 09:07 AM.

[Jetpilot]

 

And Corbyn wants to wind back the clock to the 70's are far as union powers go.

 

 

 

   Thats the problem, do you choose a morally bankrupt, institusionalised cheating liar who will shaft the country and every individual in it for his own personal gain

 

 

Of course you do, you and this country will be much better off despite your loathing of Brexit than with Corbyn at the helm!

 

Or Lib Dems, frankly i wouldnt trust them to run a bath let alone a country!

[coldel]

 

 

And Corbyn wants to wind back the clock to the 70's are far as union powers go.

 

 

 

   Thats the problem, do you choose a morally bankrupt, institusionalised cheating liar who will shaft the country and every individual in it for his own personal gain

 

 

Of course you do, you and this country will be much better off despite your loathing of Brexit than with Corbyn at the helm!

 

Or Lib Dems, frankly i wouldnt trust them to run a bath let alone a country!

 

 

What makes you think I loathe Brexit? I voted remain, but I firmly believe we should now get a deal and leave. I still think leaving is not the right thing, but here we are.

 

I loathe Boris for using Brexit solely to get the PM role, at the cost of the country, the economy, our recovery, the people. How he used parliament to undermine the previous PM, voted down every amend to the deal (including the irish sea border he has now implemented), was completely obstructive to any sort of exit UNTIL he got in the PM role when he then claimed parliament is obstructing him from getting brexit done - its been one of the great cons of the political landscape in living memory. 

Edited by coldel, 28 November 2019 - 01:11 PM.

[Jetpilot]

 

 

 

And Corbyn wants to wind back the clock to the 70's are far as union powers go.

 

 

 

   Thats the problem, do you choose a morally bankrupt, institusionalised cheating liar who will shaft the country and every individual in it for his own personal gain

 

 

Of course you do, you and this country will be much better off despite your loathing of Brexit than with Corbyn at the helm!

 

Or Lib Dems, frankly i wouldnt trust them to run a bath let alone a country!

 

 

What makes you think I loathe Brexit?

 

 

You are seriously asking that question after your plethora of anti Brexit posts on the other place    Jeez i would hate to think what it be like if you did loathe Brexit on that basis!!

 

Personally i dont really care what Boris has or hasnt done or his methods/motives to get there so long as he "gets it done", its going to be much better than Corbyns deal, which really isnt a leave option at all.

 

TM's arrangement was fundamentally flawed with the backstop, if TM could have got the deal Boris has she should have, it may well have been all over now its in no way Boris fault her deal was voted down, he was just one vote in a massive majority of no's, with good reason from my limited knowledge.

Edited by Jetpilot, 28 November 2019 - 04:53 PM.

[sford]

 

 

And Corbyn wants to wind back the clock to the 70's are far as union powers go.

 

 

 

   Thats the problem, do you choose a morally bankrupt, institusionalised cheating liar who will shaft the country and every individual in it for his own personal gain

 

 

Of course you do, you and this country will be much better off despite your loathing of Brexit than with Corbyn at the helm!

 

Or Lib Dems, frankly i wouldnt trust them to run a bath let alone a country!

 

 

There have been multiple times when I have felt that the LibDems might be the answer to the problems that appear with the two party politics we have but then they always seem to do something at crunch time that ruins it. I'd liken them to a dog chasing cars. 

[coldel]

 

 

 

 

And Corbyn wants to wind back the clock to the 70's are far as union powers go.

 

 

 

   Thats the problem, do you choose a morally bankrupt, institusionalised cheating liar who will shaft the country and every individual in it for his own personal gain

 

 

Of course you do, you and this country will be much better off despite your loathing of Brexit than with Corbyn at the helm!

 

Or Lib Dems, frankly i wouldnt trust them to run a bath let alone a country!

 

 

What makes you think I loathe Brexit?

 

 

You are seriously asking that question after your plethora of anti Brexit posts on the other place    Jeez i would hate to think what it be like if you did loathe Brexit on that basis!!

 

Personally i dont really care what Boris has or hasnt done or his methods/motives to get there so long as he "gets it done", its going to be much better than Corbyns deal, which really isnt a leave option at all.

 

TM's arrangement was fundamentally flawed with the backstop, if TM could have got the deal Boris has she should have, it may well have been all over now its in no way Boris fault her deal was voted down, he was just one vote in a massive majority of no's, with good reason from my limited knowledge.

 

 

As I said, I voted remain, and still believe we will have been better off remaining. Look back at my posts, my derision is pointed at Boris, not at leaving the EU. If you are missing that, then its because you are not reading the posts objectively. I despise Boris because he has basically taken a stance not for the good of the country, or even for the good of Brexit, his stance is for Boris because it suited his aims for PM. In the years of following politics I haven't seen anyone in politics who is so willing to thrown anyone under the bus for his own personal gain. This is coming from someone who has voted Tory a number of times in GEs. I think No Deal would be harmful to everyone in this country except those with sufficient wealth to ride it out, I want us to leave (and have mentioned this numerous times) in an orderly fashion.

 

It is clearly recorded, that the Irish Sea option was totally on the table as an alternative to the backstop and it is clearly recorded that Boris said he no Tory government should ever propose it, and he personally would never use it, blocking any move towards this solution. Yet here we are with him complaining that Parliament are blocking his attempts at putting an Irish Sea border into the exit deal instead of the backstop. This happened. And if you think Boris is just one vote? Boris and the ERG were in the ears of many MPs in parliament who wanted TM out, Brexit was the political football to put their man in. I would love to think that there was no politics at play in the voting, that each MP has just one vote and they all do it independently...then again I would also like to believe in Santa.   

Edited by coldel, 29 November 2019 - 09:50 AM.

[coldel]

Anyway, I will not post in this anymore as we are going around in circles. Some people want Boris in to get brexit done fair enough, I would never actively put my cross against something so politically and morally corrupt. So there we have it. 

[ICD]

"bla, blah, blah""...then again I would also like to believe in Santa. " 

 

 

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What no Santa, now I know your,re having a laugh. No presents for you this year.

 

 

[casino]

Who will replace Corbyn and what will replace Labour after they get beat?

If they can’t win now they never will, so Im guessing some navel gazing and another rebranding?

Sort of EVEN NEWER LABOUR or NEW IMPROVED LABOUR or NEW CONCENTRATED LABOUR
or DEEPER REDDER LABOUR or BADDEST LABOUR EVER?

[Jetpilot]

I reckon, if still they are still mps, they will take a punt on one of the younger women in the party, appeal to all the millennials and feministas out there!

[Ivor]

I reckon, if still they are still mps, they will take a punt on one of the younger women in the party, appeal to all the millennials and feministas out there!

The shadow education secretary

[Ivor]

I reckon, if still they are still mps, they will take a punt on one of the younger women in the party, appeal to all the millennials and feministas out there!

The shadow education secretary