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[C8RKH]

She's obviously so good, you named her twice!

Angela Rayner? Oh no, please no, no, no...

Edited by C8RKH, 29 November 2019 - 09:22 PM.

[Ivor]

She's obviously so good, you named her twice!

Angela Rayner? Oh no, please no, no, no...

Impressive when I saw her interviewed on TV

[C8RKH]

She's obviously so good, you named her twice!

Angela Rayner? Oh no, please no, no, no...

Impressive when I saw her interviewed on TV

So is Sturgeon until she is asked detailed questions that can't be answered with the stock responses of "it's all Xxxx fault" where xxxx is randomly inserted as Tories, Johnson, Westminster, Brexit.

Andrew Neil's interviews have been superb, for the first time we are seeing Journos hit the politicians with well researched, insightful questions and challenges.

[casino]

Get the election done!

Can’t wait til all this shite is finally done. Feck, whoever thinks the British Public are up for another vote, another two votes, even,
is on another planet.

[ianrm]

Once it is done we will be back to the Brexit Bollox.

[C8RKH]

The main issue is we will get this election over and then go on for years about another referendum. Meanwhile our economy and social infrastructure will fall apart through lack of a proper and clear focus.

 

Living in Scotland, all I can tell you is that since that last bloody referendum the ONLY news you can rely on, every day, every fooking day for the past 1809 days (days since that referendum), is that someone from the SNP will be on the bloody news demanding another bloody referendum because they just refuse to accept they lost. The same thing has happened with Brexit with the calls for another referendum coming on the day after the result. 

 

We used to live in a democracy where people would respect the vote result even if they did not agree with it. We'd have the vote and then move on, focusing on the issues of the day and the nations future, and her citizen  interests. Instead, we have this permanent denial of the result and nothing gets done.  If you can, listen to Andrew Neil when he puts Sturgeon and her 10+ years of SNP power on the ropes over education. Health, drugs, law and order, economy, fiscal prudence etc.  That is what 1809 days of focusing on one issue, trying to turn over a referendum vote result, does for a nation. It makes it inward and stagnant and then we have to listen to her gushing pish about how the SNP stands for progressive politics!  My fooking arse indeed!

 

The same thing is happening on a larger scale in the UK now. We've had 1255 days of no progress. Of stagnation. Of a dearth of positive activity to support the people of our great nation to thrive and do better.  The same cause in both cases, the lack of an ability to accept a democratic decision.

 

It doesn't matter if you think the result is right, or wrong. It doesn't matter if you think we're all doomed and fooked as we said leave. The only fact that really matters is that the politicians of this once great nation, a beacon of democracy, have wilfully and purposefully put their own self interest and views ahead of those of a democratic decision of the people of the nation. And it is those people of that great nation who are suffering now, and will continue to suffer, as a result of this mess.

Edited by C8RKH, 01 December 2019 - 11:16 AM.

[techieboy]

Well, that's my vote signed, sealed and delivered (to the post box).

[Jetpilot]

The main issue is we will get this election over and then go on for years about another referendum. Meanwhile our economy and social infrastructure will fall apart through lack of a proper and clear focus.

 

Living in Scotland, all I can tell you is that since that last bloody referendum the ONLY news you can rely on, every day, every fooking day for the past 1809 days (days since that referendum), is that someone from the SNP will be on the bloody news demanding another bloody referendum because they just refuse to accept they lost. The same thing has happened with Brexit with the calls for another referendum coming on the day after the result. 

 

We used to live in a democracy where people would respect the vote result even if they did not agree with it. We'd have the vote and then move on, focusing on the issues of the day and the nations future, and her citizen  interests. Instead, we have this permanent denial of the result and nothing gets done.  If you can, listen to Andrew Neil when he puts Sturgeon and her 10+ years of SNP power on the ropes over education. Health, drugs, law and order, economy, fiscal prudence etc.  That is what 1809 days of focusing on one issue, trying to turn over a referendum vote result, does for a nation. It makes it inward and stagnant and then we have to listen to her gushing pish about how the SNP stands for progressive politics!  My fooking arse indeed!

 

The same thing is happening on a larger scale in the UK now. We've had 1255 days of no progress. Of stagnation. Of a dearth of positive activity to support the people of our great nation to thrive and do better.  The same cause in both cases, the lack of an ability to accept a democratic decision.

 

It doesn't matter if you think the result is right, or wrong. It doesn't matter if you think we're all doomed and fooked as we said leave. The only fact that really matters is that the politicians of this once great nation, a beacon of democracy, have wilfully and purposefully put their own self interest and views ahead of those of a democratic decision of the people of the nation. And it is those people of that great nation who are suffering now, and will continue to suffer, as a result of this mess.

 

So feet on the ground in Scotland, how do you think another indy ref would go with regards to the result?

 

Personally i think its a win win to give Scotland another Indy ref, or should i say, give the SNP another indy ref, but with the caveat, a contract is signed that there will not be one for another 25 years +, Scotland then has the option to realise this is it for "x" amount of time. Scots gain independence and we no longer have to hear the SNP banging their drum in Westminster or the loose and we no longer hear the SNP banging their drum in Westminster as frankly if they loose again, i think they will be much like UKIP in terms of political strength.

 

With regards to another ref here, the reports are the voting will be different, eu nationals and under 18's AND with no credible leave option, so in essence is completely different to the first question we were asked!

 

God i hope we dont end up with another hung parliament, that is surely in no voters or the countries interest! 

[C8RKH]

I think it will again be close up here but I also think "Remain" will win and therefore we will not be seeing Scotland leave the United Kingdom.  However, that largely depends on two things:

 

(1) The question that is asked - it will not be a simple "Yes" or "No" as it was last time, I think it will be more like Brexit and a "Leave" or "Remain". That will totally upset the SNP and her supporters, but, the key thing is arguing for No, no matter how well you do it, is negative and this aspect, the positivity around campaigning for "Yes" certainly helped the leavers last time around.

 

(2) What happens with Brexit. Perversely, if we "remain" in the EU I think that will likely push Scotland to try its luck and leave the UK. The thinking from the SNP will be that they will be able to campaign for leaving the UK on the strength that they can use the fact that the UK is IN Europe to argue that as a newly independent country they should get to "remain" in the EU on the same terms as rUK.  It will be an interesting campaign and to be honest, I cannot see the EU being keen on accepting Scotland under the UK terms but they will be in a hole - do they allow and exception and make it easy for Scotland (France, Spain and Italy will not be keen on that due to their own issues with separatists) but then if they let Scotland fast track in and insist on freedom of movement and monetary union then that will mean a border with rUK - before any one shouts, I am not talking about a hard border, but it will be a bit like how when we fly to Schengen EU now from the UK we still need to go through passport control, unlike flights that start and end in Schengen.  So, for an independent Scotland it could turn into a nightmare for people like me who live here but commute to London/rUK every week!

 

Despite what Sturgeon says, there is no easy nor simple route into Europe as a result of independence and, if the UK has decided at that point to remain in the EU then there is no incentive for them to make it easy for Scotland - I mean, we are 5m people, rUK is 58m, so who is more important to Europe?  Just simple maths and economics really especially as Scotland will be a net taker of subsisidies and supports as opposed to a net contributor.

 

I have no idea however how a new referendum in the UK re EU membership would go. My head tells me it would be a "remain" victory but then the "leavers" would protest and create sh*t for years and actually, the remainers could not really argue with that could they? Call it unreasonable? etc?

 

I stick by my earlier views. The lack of respect from our politicians to a democratic vote result has created both a constitutional crises and a crises in trust between the people of the UK and our parliament.

[Jetpilot]

Thanks for your thoughts 

 

Sturgeon was asked by an audience member, if she supports a Labour government with indy ref 2 as her price and we vote to remain, will she still need to have indy ref 2, obviously yes was the answer. Also heard on the news today they were discussing the SNP/Scotland holding indy ref 2 without consent from Westminster, even though it wouldnt be upheld and the pundits think she would. 

[C8RKH]

Thanks for your thoughts 

 

Sturgeon was asked by an audience member, if she supports a Labour government with indy ref 2 as her price and we vote to remain, will she still need to have indy ref 2, obviously yes was the answer. Also heard on the news today they were discussing the SNP/Scotland holding indy ref 2 without consent from Westminster, even though it wouldnt be upheld and the pundits think she would. 

 

That's one option but it it is hugely divisive and is essentially what the Parliament in Catalonia did, and that did not, and does not continue to, end well for the people of Catalonia or Spain.  It would be a very dangerous game of brinkmanship and actually, here in Scotland, I am not sure she would win in those circumstances, I actually think people would resent her doing it that way and so only the strongest of Mel Gibson's Braveheart's would vote for it, and the unsure fence sitters would come down on the side of remaining in the Union to preserve the status quo - can you imagine the news stories around Scotland doing it unilaterally and how that would bring the dogs from hell raining down on us. Also, the EU would NEVER accept Scotland in under those circumstances as it really would re-ignite Catalonia! 

 

Also, by taken that approach I am 100% certain that there would then be a huge backlash in England against the Scot's government and so any resulting "negotiation" re a break-up from that route would be hugely acrimonious and I cannot again see that ending well for those of us living in Scotland.

 

I actually think she is bluffing on this one, she knows that there is no way Scotland would be recognised as an independent nation under that arrangement.  Already we now have Jenny Mara (MSP for Dundee) formally writing to Sturgeon asking for her to present the evidence, legal and other, that is underpinning her insistence that an Independent Scotland will get a fast entry to the EU. As you can imagine this is not being provided. It reminds of the last Indyref. Alex Salmond proudly stated that he had a letter from the EU stating Scotland would be welcomed in straight away. Eventually he had to admit that it was all a lie and he borrowed the letter from the internet (it was posted by a pro-independence group and was not real).  Another great example of progressive politics from the SNP and lying. It's why every time Sturgeon uses those taunts it makes my skin crawl.

 

So in a nutshell. I think this generation (in time) is doomed. Doomed if we do. Doomed if we don't.  The UK is becoming a nastier, inward, looking place as a result and to be honest, all sides have only themselves to blame and all sides are as bad as each other.

 

We need a clear out in the Lords, Commons and Holyrood. Too many of our MP's have never had a real job these days. Have limited life experience. Have no idea what life is like for the normal working person. Christ a good number of them have only ever worked in politics. Christ, no wonder we are doomed.

[SteveA]

For all you intending to vote Tory, Jonathan Pie sums it up nicely 😂

[WrightStuff]

For all you intending to vote Tory, Jonathan Pie sums it up nicely 😂

 

The Torys aren't great...apart from all the others who are worse ?

[techieboy]

I like Pie but he's a weapons grade partisan prick at times and that's his prickiest video of the lot. His desperation at the probable result is palpable. Still, the Momentum bovver boys will be tossing off over it I'm sure and he'll get plenty of Christmas party bookings as a result.



Waaahhh waaaaahhhh waaaahhhhh.

Not sure how true it is but a mate said in the pub last night that he'd read Momentum were running classes on how to not cry in the vicinity of the media after the election results. Sounds plausible.

[Jetpilot]

For all you intending to vote Tory, Jonathan Pie sums it up nicely 😂

 

I am curious as to what you believe the conservatives should have done with the "books" they inherited from Labour? 

[SteveA]

Not cut taxes for the most wealthy whilst also cutting social programs that benefit those who need it most. Let’s face it, they will do the same again if re-elected. Anyway that’s enough from me, I’m quite aware that it’s almost impossible to alter a strong opinion regardless of which way you lean. My opinion is just as useless on here as everyone elses 😂

Edited by SteveA, 07 December 2019 - 03:20 PM.

[Jetpilot]

Talks of fake/forged documents from Russia being brandished by Corbyn, you just couldnt make it up.

 

By all accounts, for anyone who isnt aware, according to Reddit they follow a pattern of Russian interference from earlier in the year, translations are literal, spelling and grammar poor and "allegedly" show all the signs of being fake.

 

 

Edited by Jetpilot, 07 December 2019 - 05:47 PM.

[christhegasman]

That's all based on the assumption that as a technology we never advance. Fifteen years ago paying for something with your phone was inconceivable, a phone battery the size of a postage stamp lasting days just unbelievable, hell even an electric car driving 200 miles, surely not! The environmental impact of putting in hydro stations vs global rising water levels wiping out a large percentage of the world inhabitable surface? The confusion here is that renewables companies are aware they aren't perfect, its the opposition view being pushed that they are not aware of it that is false.

Battery tech is moving forwards with solid state batteries, alternatives to lithium-ion etc. and in 10 years we will be in a totally different place. Renewable is now capable of covering something like 15% of the power needs of the UK, and that's with sizable resistance to its growth, disbelief that climate change is here, coupled with the fact that we need to wait for fossil fuel power stations to expire before replacing them, so on and so forth. How many people die mining for fossil fuels, or in fact any tech that western Europe uses - do you feel guilty about using your mobile phone built in Chinese sweat shops? Will Cobalt even be needed in 10 years time? I never saw an argument for the slave like conditions to be used for all our cheap tech that we use in the west to be banned.

Scientifically renewables is a no brainer, cheaper, cleaner, long term availability, falling costs not rising. Sure its going to take a bit of effort to get there, but we have to really.

If EV is really the future why are new build properties not built with charging points ? I am not convinced about the impact of EV being that better when all environmental impacts are taken into account but will be interested to see the extension leads hanging out if high rise apartments to charge the car overnight 😂

Edited by christhegasman, 08 December 2019 - 03:52 PM.

[Ivor]

That's all based on the assumption that as a technology we never advance. Fifteen years ago paying for something with your phone was inconceivable, a phone battery the size of a postage stamp lasting days just unbelievable, hell even an electric car driving 200 miles, surely not! The environmental impact of putting in hydro stations vs global rising water levels wiping out a large percentage of the world inhabitable surface? The confusion here is that renewables companies are aware they aren't perfect, its the opposition view being pushed that they are not aware of it that is false.

Battery tech is moving forwards with solid state batteries, alternatives to lithium-ion etc. and in 10 years we will be in a totally different place. Renewable is now capable of covering something like 15% of the power needs of the UK, and that's with sizable resistance to its growth, disbelief that climate change is here, coupled with the fact that we need to wait for fossil fuel power stations to expire before replacing them, so on and so forth. How many people die mining for fossil fuels, or in fact any tech that western Europe uses - do you feel guilty about using your mobile phone built in Chinese sweat shops? Will Cobalt even be needed in 10 years time? I never saw an argument for the slave like conditions to be used for all our cheap tech that we use in the west to be banned.

Scientifically renewables is a no brainer, cheaper, cleaner, long term availability, falling costs not rising. Sure its going to take a bit of effort to get there, but we have to really.

If EV is really the future why are new build properties not built with charging points ? I am not convinced about the impact of EV being that better when all environmental impacts are taken into account but will be interested to see the extension leads hanging out if high rise apartments to charge the car overnight 😂

Future is hydrogen

[C8RKH]

 

 

That's all based on the assumption that as a technology we never advance. Fifteen years ago paying for something with your phone was inconceivable, a phone battery the size of a postage stamp lasting days just unbelievable, hell even an electric car driving 200 miles, surely not! The environmental impact of putting in hydro stations vs global rising water levels wiping out a large percentage of the world inhabitable surface? The confusion here is that renewables companies are aware they aren't perfect, its the opposition view being pushed that they are not aware of it that is false.

Battery tech is moving forwards with solid state batteries, alternatives to lithium-ion etc. and in 10 years we will be in a totally different place. Renewable is now capable of covering something like 15% of the power needs of the UK, and that's with sizable resistance to its growth, disbelief that climate change is here, coupled with the fact that we need to wait for fossil fuel power stations to expire before replacing them, so on and so forth. How many people die mining for fossil fuels, or in fact any tech that western Europe uses - do you feel guilty about using your mobile phone built in Chinese sweat shops? Will Cobalt even be needed in 10 years time? I never saw an argument for the slave like conditions to be used for all our cheap tech that we use in the west to be banned.

Scientifically renewables is a no brainer, cheaper, cleaner, long term availability, falling costs not rising. Sure its going to take a bit of effort to get there, but we have to really.

If EV is really the future why are new build properties not built with charging points ? I am not convinced about the impact of EV being that better when all environmental impacts are taken into account but will be interested to see the extension leads hanging out if high rise apartments to charge the car overnight 😂

Future is hydrogen

 

Amen.