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Posted 04 February 2020 - 08:38 AM

Bringing forward the sales of new petrol engined cars to 15 years time, was the news I woke up to. 
 

How long before a can of petrol is more expensive , valuable than the car it’s going in?  Or,, is this a lot of hot air in the after glow of the climate summit? 



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 08:42 AM

I'm still mourning 4star



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 08:43 AM

Although TBH its the way forward

ETA:

I've been considering the joys of a VXE


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Posted 04 February 2020 - 09:23 AM

Over here EV subsidies are payed via extra taks on ICE, and it is getting worse every year.

At some point we have to switch not because we want to, but can no longer afford an alternative.

 


Edited by smiley, 04 February 2020 - 09:23 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2020 - 09:35 AM

Derv will go first imho

We are looking at a new car and the sales monkeys are saying to flat out avoid the Derv options even though they are more efficient etc.

Its only a matter of time for Petrol though as the high compression direct injection engines are very sooty anyway :lol:

 

Lots of bluster to calm Greta down I'd imagine as commercially its not quite there yet



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 10:00 AM

Derv will go first imho
We are looking at a new car and the sales monkeys are saying to flat out avoid the Derv options even though they are more efficient etc.
Its only a matter of time for Petrol though as the high compression direct injection engines are very sooty anyway :lol:

Lots of bluster to calm Greta down I'd imagine as commercially its not quite there yet

Can't they be modified to run on hydrogen?

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 10:25 AM

 

Derv will go first imho
We are looking at a new car and the sales monkeys are saying to flat out avoid the Derv options even though they are more efficient etc.
Its only a matter of time for Petrol though as the high compression direct injection engines are very sooty anyway :lol:

Lots of bluster to calm Greta down I'd imagine as commercially its not quite there yet

Can't they be modified to run on hydrogen?

 

 
Number of technical issues (e.g. H2 has some non-desirable effects on metals..) but fundamentally H2 has a much lower energy density than oil-derived fuel (petrol, diesel, gas..). So you need to store it under high pressure to get a feasible range..

 

Apparently the rotary engine is a bit more of a promising approach to use of H2 (something to do with different thermal efficiencies and slower gas expansion rate post ignition - presumably better for apex seals!)



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 12:32 PM

Lots of bluster to calm Greta down I'd imagine as commercially its not quite there yet

^^^^This^^^^

 

Technology moves on & sooner or later the CO2 from charging and the environmental problems of battery disposal will rear its head. 

The theory has not been thought through yet. For example how does someone who lives in a terraced house on a street that is full of cars, where they can’t guarantee that they can park outside of their house, charge their vehicle?


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Posted 04 February 2020 - 12:50 PM


Lots of bluster to calm Greta down I'd imagine as commercially its not quite there yet

^^^^This^^^^

Technology moves on & sooner or later the CO2 from charging and the environmental problems of battery disposal will rear its head.

The theory has not been thought through yet. For example how does someone who lives in a terraced house on a street that is full of cars, where they can’t guarantee that they can park outside of their house, charge their vehicle?

Hydrogen fuel cell..

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 12:58 PM

white elephant



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 01:16 PM

Keeping Hydrogen in one place is somewhat challenging.... not impossible but likely on the "could it be the last option" end of the list.

 



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 01:25 PM

Just re read my own post, meant to talk about the gov ENDING the sale of petrol engined cars in 15 years time. Too early in the morning...

 

By the way..does this impact on piston engined light aircraft or is aviation fuel not as polluting?



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 01:46 PM

On another car forum we were having a chat on the new honda e car.
From a UK YouTube movie on it, it showed this:

 

evoverzicht2.jpg

 

2 questions:

- Are EV prices in the UK subsidized. ie do above prices reflect that incl subsidizing?
- Does anyone know why the zoe is extremely cheap compared to the rest, where it's specs are quite ok?

 



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 02:19 PM

Given you could prob get an equivalent small petrol car to the Zoe for about half the price, it aint so cheap..


Edited by Rosssco, 04 February 2020 - 02:20 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2020 - 02:22 PM

The key is in the "compared to the rest".

Of course prices are rediculous compared to ICE. But not my question.

 



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 02:52 PM

The zoe should be 28.620

Typo in the yoube movie.

 



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 03:02 PM

 

Lots of bluster to calm Greta down I'd imagine as commercially its not quite there yet

^^^^This^^^^

 

For example how does someone who lives in a terraced house on a street that is full of cars, where they can’t guarantee that they can park outside of their house, charge their vehicle?

 

 

Or worse still, a high rise apartment block, i can just see the extension leads trailing out the windows!!!

 

Realistically though i guess they are only saying they will ban ice sales, so to get those vehicles off the road, got to be another 15 years minimum after 2035 i reckon before they start looking at restriction in fuel sales.

 

Just too many questions to be answered for me, loss of government revenue, still using natural resources, energy supply, infrastructure for charging, ev cost etc etc

 

I just dont think its the answer long term, an alternative yes, but not the future of transport for me.

 

And personally, someone needs to tell Greta to shut up, starting with her parents (in a nice way of course), i just cant believe they have "encouraged" her especially with her having aspergers.


Edited by Jetpilot, 04 February 2020 - 03:03 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2020 - 04:05 PM

Yes Smiley, up to £3.5k government subsidy on EVs.



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Posted 04 February 2020 - 05:46 PM

Petrol will become less profitable as more move to electric so crude will drop in price over the next few years. I wonder if those savings will passed on...

More likely petrol firms will milk it as long as they can because they will be all but bust in 25 years.

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 07:28 PM

Petrol will become less profitable as more move to electric so crude will drop in price over the next few years. I wonder if those savings will passed on...

More likely petrol firms will milk it as long as they can because they will be all but bust in 25 years.

A crude future for crude oil then. Oh what will those OPEC nations do to keep up their wealth? Sell sand? 






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