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[jay_vxt22]

Your all saying you choose n/a over the turbo as you prefer a n/a engine and its delivery. So why is a supercharger kit seen by these n/a pureists as a good upgrade?

If you were all proper n/a pureists you would be spending your money on a high comp high reving engine not superchargers lol

2 guesses to what car you drive eh ?

I don't have a supercharger and i still love my NA. HTH

Take your 2 guess's please?

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[malcz]

I like cheese.

Edam ?

while Edam is nice but plasticy (like our cars), I prefer a nice old fashioned Mature Cheddar

How dare you say Edam is plasticy the outside coating wax i'll have you know goddamn it!!!!

you and your aloof mature english cheddar ways move with the times edam arrived in the UK later it must be better

you git!!

I test ate both, and simply preferd the way the Cheddar tasted/crumbled/cost etc Its pure simplicity at its finest unlike these show offy balls of red cheese that you have to peel to get near the good stuff..... It just screams "chav"

The peeling is the best bit, get to savour and have the anticipation build, like undressing a sexy girlie!

screams chav, my god, you will be saying next mature english is all very well but would be so better with a little pickle just to give it a mild complimentary boost, or supercharge the flavour. My god!! when you can have chillis in your edam to flavour that so so wrong.

Think i will go back to peanut butter sandwiches. Can't go wrong there.

You should try cheese (cheddar, or edam if you prefer) and jam sandwiches (any flavour jam) that's the way forward. Plus people think it sounds like a horrible combination so will never steal your lunch from you!!

[Jase_MK]

So what platform is it built on? as you say its a vxt with a few tweeks hence based on a vxt lol

missed the point entirely

[Jase_MK]

They'd stopped making the NA by that point. VXT was the current car and the VXR was made as a special edition of that with fancy seats and sticky tyres.

It's hardly 'built on the turbo platform'. It IS a VXT with a few tweaks.

Wasn't the 'original' VXR an NA?

Geek mode on....

When the NA was in production they buillt a one off 'sprint' version, yeah. Then when the VXT was in production they decided to build a sprint version of that too. Such was the interest that they decided to put it (well, something similar) into production to launch their VXR sub brand.

I remember getting a ride in the VXT sprint

[dw1]

Michael Winner voice 'Calm down, it's only a thread' There's nowt wrong with a bit of fun debate and opinions on this old topic. Surely the reason why it keeps popping up is that it must mean something to people? Partly because every new buyer HAS to make a choice; NA or Turbo. My personal view is that as a purer drivers car the NA has to be more suitable because, it's lighter, the weight distribution of the car will be better, that makes it more nimble, better with direction changes and able to stop quicker. And because it's an NA it makes it inifinitely more adjustable in the corners. For pure track work and cornering you're much better off starting with an NA. You can't argue with physics. This is why depsite a Tubby having quicker performance stats on paper, on a track the NA and Turbo times are identical. So I own an NA right? Wrong. I chose a Turbo because it suited my own personal needs. Its the first turbo car I've owned and I wanted that sense of shove and was prepared to compromise the trade off as I dont do that many track days. I also like the sensation of accellerative power, it can make a dull straight road fun - and in my book there is nothing wrong with liking the feeling of accelleration, but thats my personal taste. Before anyone thinks I'm just interested in straight line speed I love driving bends too (check the Plans Stiggy Challenge track times, you'll notice that Mick43 in his beautifully prepared NA was a fair bit quicker, what a lovely car, I remember drooling over that when he was selling it thinking should I flog mine and get his ) Interestingly when I was doing the Top Gear track, Graham the instructor pointed out the limitations of a turbo engine in terms of adjustability of throttle, its more of a guess. I also felt my Tubby definitely needed Nitrons and 16/17s to sharpen up its handling. The reality is the differences are sublte that offer broadly the same thing but experienced in a different way. Frappacino or Cappucino, neithers better, just different. (I'm a Frappacino man myself, mmm Starbucks). I will wave equally enthusiastically at NA, VXR and Tubbys alike. Vive la difference.

[TonyKL]

I normally avoid these threads but was bored in the pub this afternoon and it was suggested I read this. It has been most amusing. Here's my input. I have a nice stage 4 turbo with up-rated brakes, suspension and sticky tires. I LOVE IT and can't see me changing it, however... My next car WILL NOT have a turbo !!!

Edited by TonyKL, 19 June 2008 - 02:17 PM.

[JG]

Tony, now look what you've done. This is back at the top of the page and the chavs are going to be back again

[TonyKL]

Tony, now look what you've done. This is back at the top of the page and the chavs are going to be back again

Muhahahahaha !!

[Guy182]

Interestingly when I was doing the Top Gear track, Graham the instructor pointed out the limitations of a turbo engine in terms of adjustability of throttle, its more of a guess.

and thats exactly why if i was doing alot of track days I would switch over to a supercharged 2.2

for the road a stage 2/3/4 turbo is the better car though

[thelynxeffect]

for the road a stage 2/3/4 turbo is the better car though

By better, do you mean faster or more fun?

I doubt a stage 2 would be faster but we all know stage 4 would be way quicker, but more fun? horses for courses.

[MAXR]

for the road a stage 2/3/4 turbo is the better car though

By better, do you mean faster or more fun?

I doubt a stage 2 would be faster but we all know stage 4 would be way quicker, but more fun? horses for courses.

Fun & preference is a state of mind... All variations of the VX will tick different boxes for each of us. We are all individuals and will all have different preferences & tastes. Imagine if all woman looked like Angelina Jollie, how boring would that be (OK...that’s a really really bad example) but you get my drift!

Some will put driveability ahead of Power. Others will prefer safety & comfort to outright performance & handling. I’ve never driven a VX on the road but if I did I would probably like a VX which has the best of an NA, S/C & Turbo ...Oh, and in the passenger seat I will have Angelina Jollie. Oh please! Please!

[jonnyboy]

I'm definatley on the NA side of the debate. For me it really is a better car. I can see the attraction of a turbo with the ease at which you can get it into a seriously quick machine. But I love my VX for the precision of the handling and the purity of the whole driving experience. I'm on my second NA now and never even considered getting a turbo the second time around. The NA is totally standard and will remain so as its IMO perfect out of the box. I am lucky to have a megane 225 (which is 2.0 turbo for those that dont know) so any need for outright speed I might get is more than satified by that. Interestingly though the VX never feels slow despite having half the power of my megane. The thing I've found over the years though is that outright speed/power can get boring as you adjust to it but I've never tired of having a car with such brilliant handling as the VX.

[Adam_B]

I like my turbo, its the best performance car i have ever owned or driven. Ive never tried a 2.2.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Owned both, love both! NA didn't have enough grunt for me, so I got a VXR. The thing holds the road just as well as the NA in my eyes (mainly down to the A048's), but you can feel the extra weight. Nitrons will sort that though. Quit bitching, and enjoy your cars. They ALL rock!!!!

[Guy182]

for the road a stage 2/3/4 turbo is the better car though

By better, do you mean faster or more fun?

I doubt a stage 2 would be faster but we all know stage 4 would be way quicker, but more fun? horses for courses.

im talking the driveability side of it on the road, i.e. 300lbft bang in the midrange rpm for easy overtaking etc..

to be honest your going to get similar fun on the road out of either really unless you are driving like you want to kill you/others. best saved for the track really.

yesterday when being out with Max in his s/c on the track i was seriously considering stripping all my parts off, getting a cat D NA and charging it with my pro alloy CC and brakes and tank etc, but to be fair i dont do enough trackdays to warrant it.

If i was to get a VX again.. id probably take the S/C route for the ease of driving on track.
however im more than happy with my Stage 4 turbo so she'll be staying

[Tashyboy]

what a load of bollox this thread is.