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[VXJON]

Your all saying you choose n/a over the turbo as you prefer a n/a engine and its delivery. So why is a supercharger kit seen by these n/a pureists as a good upgrade?

If you were all proper n/a pureists you would be spending your money on a high comp high reving engine not superchargers lol

Because a SC doesn't have the same effect on throttle respons as fitting a turbo a long stroke engine with an intake port design for mid range torque doesn't respond well to being tuned for high rpm.

Winstar absolutely no need for this kind of answer in this thread, yes its a well informed reasoned and intelligent response but you forgot the only thing asswits like this appreciate


So every one join in, wave your willy in the air and shout " I'm bigger than you, I'm bigger than you ".

[LazyDonkey]

He (Lazy) doesn't need any support Ash.

I'm still fairly sure he's been drinking, otherwise since when has he started answering this drivel?

If only. Mine's a pint if you're buying.

You're right James i normally ignore this kind of pish, maybe it was the speedcat thread that made me reaslise how much .org has changed who knows.

Of course it could also be because i've now been working out of a different office on a crap project for 1.5 weeks now and i've got cabin fever.

Anyway my conferance calls for the day are now over,business objects is back up and running so i'll go and do some real work

[catmando]

Ever seen a highly over poppulated duck pond and then thrown one chunk of bread in the middle. They all go nuts trying to get a bite out of that piece of bread. Its a bit like this thread really....

I've never driven a NA so wouldn't know if it was better or worse than my standard turbo, but its a vx so i don't care, its still cool in a ham sandwich type of way.......

VX220 N/A and Turbo better than Elise .
Yes i tied both prefered Turbo
Goodnight all

[Westyman]

[gazcaddy]

I know the original thread was meant to be a wind up but its kind of proved his point, he has give you N/A owners the bait and you have taken it. If your happy with your car then dont worry about it, ive got a VXT and Ive been told a VXR is way better, Do I care, not at all.

[gazcaddy]

I understand where your coming from, but i still stand by my point that your all saying you prefer n/a over turbo but then go to forced inductio anyway lol. If you were 100% pure dedicated n/a tuners you would be going down the route of a proper high reving n/a build even if it entailed an engine swap to say a k20 honda engine or the like

Erm, I'm not going forced induction. I'm hoping that once my mapping issues are sorted I'll have circa 210bhp (certainly 200bhp+) from my NA following Vockys old skool developments. Granted, it's not going to scream round to 9000rpm but I rejected the S2000 based on the fact I didn't want to drive everywhere at 6,000+rpm just to actually find any torque.

For the track goers the turbo needs a 2k of engine work nitrons and big brakes, the na needs 5-6k of engine work to match the turbo outright pace nitrons and big brakes.

and all of that for just over £1k

How have you got 210bhp from £1000? No tuning comany can get near that BHP for that money

[n1k_ns]

[slindborg]

I understand where your coming from, but i still stand by my point that your all saying you prefer n/a over turbo but then go to forced inductio anyway lol. If you were 100% pure dedicated n/a tuners you would be going down the route of a proper high reving n/a build even if it entailed an engine swap to say a k20 honda engine or the like

Erm, I'm not going forced induction. I'm hoping that once my mapping issues are sorted I'll have circa 210bhp (certainly 200bhp+) from my NA following Vockys old skool developments. Granted, it's not going to scream round to 9000rpm but I rejected the S2000 based on the fact I didn't want to drive everywhere at 6,000+rpm just to actually find any torque.

For the track goers the turbo needs a 2k of engine work nitrons and big brakes, the na needs 5-6k of engine work to match the turbo outright pace nitrons and big brakes.

and all of that for just over £1k

How have you got 210bhp from £1000? No tuning comany can get near that BHP for that money

Thats the first problem lol

I could get about 250bhp for £800 for approx 60seconds if it bothers you that much lmao.

[Flanners]

Just got back in after been for a "Blast" nice sunny day ( rather drive than internet on days like these)Quite supprised by some of the comments
Ive nothing against N/A 's they were ok for a while, and i know people are happy with them. But times move on' heres a situation
Man has money to by either model . both cars similar condition , one slow(N/A), one fast(TURBO) why would you pick the slow one!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So my post which was about N/A owners being over protective and having a go at Fat Arse turbos at every chance they get, expecially our brothers from over the border was justified
cant see what all the "Fuss" is about
Sports cars are supposed to be fast so i dont want a slow one

Have you got a girlfriend/boyfriend if you have make use of them and ease your frustrations. Use the search function this was done to death years ago when you were probably dreaming of girls/fast cars/Novas.

get a grip and just enjoy whatever; the standard of debate on this site is falling roughly in line with IQ and prices of VXs. Is this linked?

Edited by Flanners, 18 June 2008 - 01:48 PM.

[gazcaddy]

I understand where your coming from, but i still stand by my point that your all saying you prefer n/a over turbo but then go to forced inductio anyway lol. If you were 100% pure dedicated n/a tuners you would be going down the route of a proper high reving n/a build even if it entailed an engine swap to say a k20 honda engine or the like

Erm, I'm not going forced induction. I'm hoping that once my mapping issues are sorted I'll have circa 210bhp (certainly 200bhp+) from my NA following Vockys old skool developments. Granted, it's not going to scream round to 9000rpm but I rejected the S2000 based on the fact I didn't want to drive everywhere at 6,000+rpm just to actually find any torque.

For the track goers the turbo needs a 2k of engine work nitrons and big brakes, the na needs 5-6k of engine work to match the turbo outright pace nitrons and big brakes.

and all of that for just over £1k

How have you got 210bhp from £1000? No tuning comany can get near that BHP for that money

Thats the first problem lol

I could get about 250bhp for £800 for approx 60seconds if it bothers you that much lmao.

It doesnt bother me. I was merely asking a question? I assumed the 210bhp was permanent.

[techieboy]

It doesnt bother me. I was merely asking a question? I assumed the 210bhp was permanent.

It's purely hypothetical at the moment. Until I can keep the thing running for more than 30 seconds without dropping into limp mode, it's more like 1bhp. Made a little boo boo in the calculations though as I didn't factor in the existing Stage II, so add a Milltek, ITG and map to that but was just totting up the head, cams, intlet, throttle body, injectors and flywheel (judicious use of eBay .com and .co.uk and classifieds on here). Sorry about that. blush

[slindborg]

It doesnt bother me. I was merely asking a question? I assumed the 210bhp was permanent.

It's purely hypothetical at the moment. Until I can keep the thing running for more than 30 seconds without dropping into limp mode, it's more like 1bhp. Made a little boo boo in the calculations though as I didn't factor in the existing Stage II, so add a Milltek, ITG and map to that but was just totting up the head, cams, intlet, throttle body, injectors and flywheel (judicious use of eBay .com and .co.uk and classifieds on here). Sorry about that. blush

tbh matt. I could probably do everything you did in the current build and get to the same point without spending on the stg2 + miltek etc.... so yeah imho 200ish is available for about £1K (well it had better bloody be lol)

[techieboy]

It doesnt bother me. I was merely asking a question? I assumed the 210bhp was permanent.

It's purely hypothetical at the moment. Until I can keep the thing running for more than 30 seconds without dropping into limp mode, it's more like 1bhp. Made a little boo boo in the calculations though as I didn't factor in the existing Stage II, so add a Milltek, ITG and map to that but was just totting up the head, cams, intlet, throttle body, injectors and flywheel (judicious use of eBay .com and .co.uk and classifieds on here). Sorry about that. blush

tbh matt. I could probably do everything you did in the current build and get to the same point without spending on the stg2 + miltek etc.... so yeah imho 200ish is available for about £1K (well it had better bloody be lol)

Agreed. If I'd known 18 months ago what I do now, I'd probably never have bothered with the StageII (although it's been bloody good fun, all the same). Would still have left me with the exhaust headache though as I'd never have been able to fabricate one myself.

[Alps Pacino]

Just a thought, if the n/a was a better base for a track car why did the manufacturers decide to build the track orientated vxr on the turbo platform?

[Crazyfrog (Fab)]

Just a thought, if the n/a was a better base for a track car why did the manufacturers decide to build the track orientated vxr on the turbo platform?

they needed something faster i guest but all vx are good depense how nutty you are lol

[Jase_MK]

They'd stopped making the NA by that point. VXT was the current car and the VXR was made as a special edition of that with fancy seats and sticky tyres. It's hardly 'built on the turbo platform'. It IS a VXT with a few tweaks.

Edited by Jase_MK, 18 June 2008 - 04:14 PM.

[Guy182]

people who mention the weight difference thing.. speaking to MAXR with his totally striped and supercharged NA.. sure he said its of similar weight to a turbo ?

[Alps Pacino]

So what platform is it built on? as you say its a vxt with a few tweeks hence based on a vxt lol

Edited by Alps Pacino, 18 June 2008 - 04:26 PM.

[jules_s]

They'd stopped making the NA by that point. VXT was the current car and the VXR was made as a special edition of that with fancy seats and sticky tyres.

It's hardly 'built on the turbo platform'. It IS a VXT with a few tweaks.

Wasn't the 'original' VXR an NA?

[VX220CRAIG]

So what platform is it built on? as you say its a vxt with a few tweeks hence based on a vxt lol

Welcome to the site mate,Martin said you were interested in getting a vx, i can recommend a tubbie there great fun