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[alanoo]

Ok, think I'll look at the Elise parts kit instead at half the price

Half the price, half the quality

[markiii]

Ok, think I'll look at the Elise parts kit instead at half the price

Half the price, half the quality

and they don;t reccomend them for heavy cars like the VXT or over 190bhp

had a long chat with EP before I bought mine, EP on the rear AP on the front

[theolodian]

Ok, think I'll look at the Elise parts kit instead at half the price

Half the price, half the quality

and they don;t reccomend them for heavy cars like the VXT or over 190bhp

had a long chat with EP before I bought mine, EP on the rear AP on the front

So, you could put a pair of EP belled rotors on the front as a distinct upgrade from stock, and then when money allows move them to the rear and put AP's or Alcon's on the front?

One thing that I would want clarified if I were buying these is the floating hardware setup. May not seem like much, but it makes or breaks (no pun intended) the whole setup.

[cheeky_chops]

size10 - have you considered contacting alan @ ttv racing/2020vision? His site has some ali bells and caliper spacers on it Interested

[Crazyfrog (Fab)]

yep, �406 for superlight rotors that will wear out. hopefully around �150 for the VX fittings from Geary

its only money

buy me one steve its only money to spend

[markiii]

Ok, think I'll look at the Elise parts kit instead at half the price

Half the price, half the quality

and they don;t reccomend them for heavy cars like the VXT or over 190bhp

had a long chat with EP before I bought mine, EP on the rear AP on the front

So, you could put a pair of EP belled rotors on the front as a distinct upgrade from stock, and then when money allows move them to the rear and put AP's or Alcon's on the front?

One thing that I would want clarified if I were buying these is the floating hardware setup. May not seem like much, but it makes or breaks (no pun intended) the whole setup.

I don;t beleive theyd reccomend it but speak to Geary

[theolodian]

So, you could put a pair of EP belled rotors on the front as a distinct upgrade from stock, and then when money allows move them to the rear and put AP's or Alcon's on the front?

One thing that I would want clarified if I were buying these is the floating hardware setup. May not seem like much, but it makes or breaks (no pun intended) the whole setup.

I don;t beleive theyd reccomend it but speak to Geary

If they don't recommend them over stock rotors, then what's the point?

[markiii]

So, you could put a pair of EP belled rotors on the front as a distinct upgrade from stock, and then when money allows move them to the rear and put AP's or Alcon's on the front?

One thing that I would want clarified if I were buying these is the floating hardware setup. May not seem like much, but it makes or breaks (no pun intended) the whole setup.

I don;t beleive theyd reccomend it but speak to Geary

If they don't recommend them over stock rotors, then what's the point?

they don't reccomend them on heavy cars or those with over 190bhp (for the front brakes) so probably ok on an N/A but not a lardy tubby

Personally I don;t see hw they can be worse than stock tubby brakes buts speak to Geary before we completely kill Sitzenboots thread

[theolodian]

they don't reccomend them on heavy cars or those with over 190bhp (for the front brakes) so probably ok on an N/A but not a lardy tubby

Personally I don;t see hw they can be worse than stock tubby brakes buts speak to Geary before we completely kill Sitzenboots thread

I'm not trying to hijack the thread, just put it in perspective.

Now for hijacking:

If we're talking about over £400 for rotors, then IMO the hats and floating hardware better be up to spec. I'm not currently in the market for something like that, but I could probably organise a group purchase of custom hats hard anodised with good floating hardware (inconel spring washers so they don't rattle). For the really anal on this forum the hats would be cut from telegraph poles of aluminum instead of plate so that there is not a directional grain (completely unnecessary, but there you are).

I have put 100,000 miles on one of these setups without ever taking it apart, still perfect in every way. Obviously you wouldn't get that many miles with trackdays, but this setup has also run the full 24h in various endurance races in GT3 without being changed.

[mandarinvx]

Ok, think I'll look at the Elise parts kit instead at half the price

Half the price, half the quality

and they don;t reccomend them for heavy cars like the VXT or over 190bhp

had a long chat with EP before I bought mine, EP on the rear AP on the front

So, you could put a pair of EP belled rotors on the front as a distinct upgrade from stock, and then when money allows move them to the rear and put AP's or Alcon's on the front?

One thing that I would want clarified if I were buying these is the floating hardware setup. May not seem like much, but it makes or breaks (no pun intended) the whole setup.

You'd have to change the rotors tho really, as the rears have a different swept area

[theolodian]

So, you could put a pair of EP belled rotors on the front as a distinct upgrade from stock, and then when money allows move them to the rear and put AP's or Alcon's on the front?

One thing that I would want clarified if I were buying these is the floating hardware setup. May not seem like much, but it makes or breaks (no pun intended) the whole setup.

You'd have to change the rotors tho really, as the rears have a different swept area

OK, cheers, that was part of my question.

[siztenboots]

So, you could put a pair of EP belled rotors on the front as a distinct upgrade from stock, and then when money allows move them to the rear and put AP's or Alcon's on the front?

One thing that I would want clarified if I were buying these is the floating hardware setup. May not seem like much, but it makes or breaks (no pun intended) the whole setup.

You'd have to change the rotors tho really, as the rears have a different swept area

OK, cheers, that was part of my question.

standard rear disks are same as fronts and the EliseParts alli belled disks that use Hi-spec disks are suitable for front and/or rear use. In terms of the difference between front and rear pad dimensions , if you wanted to use worn front disks that have a lip , then the rear pad may have a different section area that it sweeps.

[siztenboots]

they don't reccomend them on heavy cars or those with over 190bhp (for the front brakes) so probably ok on an N/A but not a lardy tubby

Personally I don;t see hw they can be worse than stock tubby brakes buts speak to Geary before we completely kill Sitzenboots thread

I'm not trying to hijack the thread, just put it in perspective.

Now for hijacking:

If we're talking about over £400 for rotors, then IMO the hats and floating hardware better be up to spec. I'm not currently in the market for something like that, but I could probably organise a group purchase of custom hats hard anodised with good floating hardware (inconel spring washers so they don't rattle). For the really anal on this forum the hats would be cut from telegraph poles of aluminum instead of plate so that there is not a directional grain (completely unnecessary, but there you are).

I have put 100,000 miles on one of these setups without ever taking it apart, still perfect in every way. Obviously you wouldn't get that many miles with trackdays, but this setup has also run the full 24h in various endurance races in GT3 without being changed.

you mean this sort of thing, would be nice

[rasputin]

did you manage to get a price on these or is it dead

[siztenboots]

Geary will do at least 10% better than the website prices , Alcon or AP, 295 or 304 , and free delivery, if we can get 5 people to get this started

[techieboy]

Ok, think I'll look at the Elise parts kit instead at half the price

they are a lightweight alternative to standard disks, weight is 5.4Kg, rotors made by Hi-spec, 288mm so suitable for front and rear.

Just fitted the EP 288mm bells and rotors to the rear of the car, this morning.

They weigh in at 5.4kg each but the rotor part, at least, is actually made by EBC by the look of the part number.

The Plans 295mm AP bells and rotors on the front weigh in at 5.3kg each

And for reference, the EBC Ultimax rear discs I removed, weighed in at 7.4kg each

So, a useful 2kg per corner weight saving on the all import unsprung weights.

[siztenboots]

Ok, think I'll look at the Elise parts kit instead at half the price

they are a lightweight alternative to standard disks, weight is 5.4Kg, rotors made by Hi-spec, 288mm so suitable for front and rear.

Just fitted the EP 288mm bells and rotors to the rear of the car, this morning.

They weigh in at 5.4kg each but the rotor part, at least, is actually made by EBC by the look of the part number.

The Plans 295mm AP bells and rotors on the front weigh in at 5.3kg each

And for reference, the EBC Ultimax rear discs I removed, weighed in at 7.4kg each

So, a useful 2kg per corner weight saving on the all import unsprung weights.

These rotors would fit on a Plans bell , if you want to.

Might try the EP 288 on the rear, 5.4kg is quite good.

[mandarinvx]

Just out of interest really-

DBA make an off the shelf 288mm dia rotor, with their 'unique' vented design, but they can't supply bells for a 5x110 pattern (without minimum order etc..)

They come out at £210 + VAT for each rotor including fasteners

They weigh in at 6kg per rotor, or 5.5kg if you were to go for the 'upgrade' 296mm dia rotor

[techieboy]

These rotors would fit on a Plans bell , if you want to.

Might try the EP 288 on the rear, 5.4kg is quite good.

I could well be tempted by the rotors. The AP replacement prices are silly.

Still a useful weight saving to be had if we could get larger bells and a smaller swept area on the rotors, like the Sector111 bells & rotors. There's still a lot of rotor surface that will never see the brake pad.

[siztenboots]

Just out of interest really-

DBA make an off the shelf 288mm dia rotor, with their 'unique' vented design, but they can't supply bells for a 5x110 pattern (without minimum order etc..)

They come out at £210 + VAT for each rotor including fasteners

They weigh in at 6kg per rotor, or 5.5kg if you were to go for the 'upgrade' 296mm dia rotor

does their price of £210 include the bell , or is it just the rotor?

they compare to the Alcon ones which are about £205 incl Vat and delivery, plus our discount , except they weight 4.1Kg for 295mm