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[N17VES]

Hmmmm.....I need to upgrade mine, and this maybe a better option than the Exige Cup one. Could be a lot of takers from the Lotus boys if this is suitable!

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Not fitted mine yet, will do next week. Not sure it will fit the Elise/Exige as not convinced they are the same in tank fitment, would need to see a Lotus canister. The canister in the VX will not hold 1.5 litres of fuel. The VX tank is baffled. As long as the fuel pick up is at the bottom of the tank then there should be no starvation issues. I would not suggest anybody runs their car lower than 6 litres on a track day anyway. Randy, you are running a 450 BHP race car Europa, your needs are not quite the same as a 270 BHP VX220 with occasional track day use. I too would use a two pump and swirl pot solution in your circumstance. It seems Jon at Courtenay's has said it is OK, who else needs to endorse this... how about the most knowlegable company in the UK when it comes to fuel systems? How about the company that imports and distributes more fuel pumps than anybody else in the UK? What about a company that works with F1 teams and supplies them with fuel delivery solutions? Would they do? If that is good enough then that is the company that developed this kit. I for one am happy that they know what they are talking about and would not risk their reputation selling people pump solutions that won't work.

[oakmere]

Not fitted mine yet, will do next week.

Not sure it will fit the Elise/Exige as not convinced they are the same in tank fitment, would need to see a Lotus canister.

The canister in the VX will not hold 1.5 litres of fuel. The VX tank is baffled. As long as the fuel pick up is at the bottom of the tank then there should be no starvation issues. I would not suggest anybody runs their car lower than 6 litres on a track day anyway.

Randy, you are running a 450 BHP race car Europa, your needs are not quite the same as a 270 BHP VX220 with occasional track day use. I too would use a two pump and swirl pot solution in your circumstance.

It seems Jon at Courtenay's has said it is OK, who else needs to endorse this... how about the most knowlegable company in the UK when it comes to fuel systems? How about the company that imports and distributes more fuel pumps than anybody else in the UK? What about a company that works with F1 teams and supplies them with fuel delivery solutions? Would they do?



If that is good enough then that is the company that developed this kit. I for one am happy that they know what they are talking about and would not risk their reputation selling people pump solutions that won't work.

Good work Cliffie I am sure most people will go for this option as it is a good price and many pumps will now be getting a bit tired. People going for very high power may want the more complex systems but I am assuming this option can be used on any thing from a standard N/A to a 300BHP turbo?

Cheers Oakmere

[Duncan VXR]

I as you all know have gone down the inline beast pump and swirl pot and works spot on. I am about to fit one of the new type upgrade pump and will be in a 300ish bhp vx so be good to see the results - sure it will work fine but as stated - higher spec / abused / track cars may still want to go down the 2 pump route - only down side I can see is the 1.5ltr fuel bomb I have in the boot lol DG

[VIX]

only down side I can see is the 1.5ltr fuel bomb I have in the boot lol

Well that's alright then!

[siztenboots]

not like there are any naked flames nearby

[techieboy]

only down side I can see is the 1.5ltr fuel bomb I have in the boot lol

not like there are any naked flames nearby

[Duncan VXR]

LOL - leave it guys!

[theolodian]

not like there are any naked flamers nearby

Fab? Who?

[kipper]

Just spoke to Rob at Glencoe. Crrently out of stock on the uprated pumps, not now avaliable until the first part of March. Guess that I won't be droppig my tank for a while.

[Duncan VXR]

Just spoke to Rob at Glencoe. Crrently out of stock on the uprated pumps, not now avaliable until the first part of March. Guess that I won't be droppig my tank for a while.

LOL found this out about 20mins after you need mine to drop into a red vxt for 6th March

[siztenboots]

own up , who got mine? oh , well , march is not so long to wait

[kipper]

Well it gives me time to find out what extortionate price Vauxhall are going to charge me for the 'O' ring that sits between the pump housing and the flange of the fuel tank. Also talked to Rob about current draw from the uprated pump, should draw a maximum of 8 amps, so the existing wiring should be OK

[theolodian]

Also talked to Rob about current draw from the uprated pump, should draw a maximum of 8 amps, so the existing wiring should be OK

If not it is just about the easiest place to add wiring and a relay.

[Spitfire Engineering]

Not fitted mine yet, will do next week.

Not sure it will fit the Elise/Exige as not convinced they are the same in tank fitment, would need to see a Lotus canister.

The canister in the VX will not hold 1.5 litres of fuel. The VX tank is baffled. As long as the fuel pick up is at the bottom of the tank then there should be no starvation issues. I would not suggest anybody runs their car lower than 6 litres on a track day anyway.

Randy, you are running a 450 BHP race car Europa, your needs are not quite the same as a 270 BHP VX220 with occasional track day use. I too would use a two pump and swirl pot solution in your circumstance.

It seems Jon at Courtenay's has said it is OK, who else needs to endorse this... how about the most knowlegable company in the UK when it comes to fuel systems? How about the company that imports and distributes more fuel pumps than anybody else in the UK? What about a company that works with F1 teams and supplies them with fuel delivery solutions? Would they do?

If that is good enough then that is the company that developed this kit. I for one am happy that they know what they are talking about and would not risk their reputation selling people pump solutions that won't work.

Oh well, we all live and learn About 3 years ago I advised Glencoe their solution for the Elise S1 (from TRE) was not only poor as it lost an intake (as Arno correctly mentioned in this thread), but also dangerous as it overheated the fuel, this kit was later withdrawn. I have not seen the latest kit but I hope it is better than the last effort.

OK, there are 3 pump types fitted to Elise and I suspect the same is true for the VX
The early 2 stage pumps (AC Delco) were only fitted to S1's and I'm not sure if they were ever fitted to the VX range though I may be wrong. This is the pump unit to which TRE suggested fitting a 255LPH Walbro even though it held no useable reserve fuel for cornering as the pump canister was not force fed, the return fuel from the reg was returned to the canister where it was re-used immediately, this had the effect of heating and re-heating the same small amount of fuel.
This unit is now obsolete and has been replaced. We have lots of the latest version in stock. total of both versions sold - about 200.

The S2 pump was a small, cheaper, moulded affair, a 4th generation Delphi, fine for the standard car but no use for upgrades as it was weaker than the S1 pump. we have supplied about 50 of these pumps, modified for Audi and other conversions and require the pump to be sent to us for conversion. there are several modifications that need to be carried out, you cannot simply just change the pump over, both eductor and over fuel return jets have to be re-set.

The next and last pump is the latest though I have had little to do with these as upgrading is a very simple affair apparently and takes a few seconds.
If it is these later units, I believe you can just use an off the shelf Walbro.

If you can post a picture of the pump unit(s) in question I will try to advise you which model it is and what your options are.

Did someone mention the Elise boys have not found a solution to this?

DO NOT stick a high power pump in a standard vehicle, most of the fuel pumped will be returned to the canister and as all pumps of this type use the fuel both as a coolant as a lubricant it will get hot quite fast especially at low power settings.

Edited by Spitfire Engineering, 11 February 2010 - 11:28 PM.

[Spitfire Engineering]

Well it gives me time to find out what extortionate price Vauxhall are going to charge me for the 'O' ring that sits between the pump housing and the flange of the fuel tank.

Also talked to Rob about current draw from the uprated pump, should draw a maximum of 8 amps, so the existing wiring should be OK

£1.50 + VAT


well not from Vauxhall

[kipper]

Well it gives me time to find out what extortionate price Vauxhall are going to charge me for the 'O' ring that sits between the pump housing and the flange of the fuel tank.

Also talked to Rob about current draw from the uprated pump, should draw a maximum of 8 amps, so the existing wiring should be OK

£1.50 + VAT


well not from Vauxhall

Sounds good, if you could provide a contact name/number/address, price with packaging and posting for the '0' ring, I could get the money off to you.
Probably got your details somewhere as I have complete Spitfire toe link and brace bar set up fitted

Thanks

Dave

[vocky]

Cliffie fitted his new fuel pump today, the reason why the pumps fail soon became very obvious..... the filter below the pump simply gets blocked with crap I will be fitting one of these to mine, there is no difference between how the two pumps work as both mount and pick up fuel in the same position. Probably not one of the easiest things to change, but once a larger access hole has been made there is good access to remove the pump assembly I'm sure Cliffie will post some more info later

[techieboy]

Excellent. That's everyone in agreement now. Just hope Glencoe get some more in, in time for the Spa trip. If not, the VX isn't going.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Cliffie fitted his new fuel pump today, the reason why the pumps fail soon became very obvious.....

the filter below the pump simply gets blocked with crap

I will be fitting one of these to mine, there is no difference between how the two pumps work as both mount and pick up fuel in the same position.

Probably not one of the easiest things to change, but once a larger access hole has been made there is good access to remove the pump assembly

I'm sure Cliffie will post some more info later

No more to add really, it is in and working.

Takes a bit of jiggery pokery to get it right and I think a solid rubber hose is the way forward rather than the flexi hose supplied.

Will let you know more when I finally drive it.