182 replies to this topic

[LazyDonkey]

The suggestion was I would lock or delete the thread to some how 'cover up' the content, the threads you link to quite clearly demonstrate that 'covering up' is the one thing I don't do - thank you.

EDIT : Oh in fact fcuk it - i dont care. You are of course above critisism and have never spoken a word of a lie.

I'll say no more.

Edited by LazyDonkey, 25 January 2008 - 11:26 PM.

[A13X]

Small Claims Court, no fees, just pride and knowing what is right and what is wrong. County Court is very simple, explain the facts, let a registrar decide who is right based on legal precedent.

Although alot of damage has now been done and your reputation has been affected. Maybe it would of been better just to of let things lie, rather than to now lose future custom from new and old members.


But John, if the court were to rule that the bill is still owed however the bill from Courtenays for the remedial work plus new rear clam and bootlid is to be reversed to yourselves. Then what 'pride and knowing what is right and what is wrong' will you take from that?

[Thorney]

This isn't about money, its about doing the right thing and demonstrating that that we have acted properly and correctly. Lazy, I wasn't having a go at anyone, just that the inference had been made that I would cover things up and I think (again) things like this demonstrate that is not what I am about. There are no winners here, but I will not stand by and be accused of things I am not guilty of.

[ElizP987]

Why don't you all just put your pitch forks down and take a step back. You're acting like a lynch mob, why don't you all grow up. This argument is between 2 parties, nobody else. Theres no need to go looking for sh*t to throw just to get in on the action, digging up any old problem. Theres always 2 sides to a story. I am not taking any sides as to be quite honest it doesn't really interest me. I mean come on, do we really need another Imran thread?! Why don't the 2 of you get together, and sort it out face to face - preferably this year

[VIX]

I've never locked or deleted a thread in my life

You locked this one:
http://www.vx220.org...s...4502&st=100



PS Whatever happened to stu-vx200?
PPS Still waiting for that letter ....

Edited by VIX, 25 January 2008 - 11:48 PM.

[csl_freak]

"just pride and knowing what is right and what is wrong" been there got the tuxedo...this assumes the other party doesnt ask for the case to be taken out of the small case court (which in fact does not actually exist, what it really means is the special procedure for handling smaller claims in a county court.) Which they could do if they can show one of the following: 1. The case involves a difficult question of law or has complicated facts. 2. They are accusing you of fraud. 3. Both you and your opponent have agreed that the case should not be heard in the Small Claims Court. 4. That it is unreasonable for your claim to be heard in the Small Claims Court, because a Counterclaim has been made for more than £5,000 or because of their personal circumstances. And again, for what its worth Court rules require you to think about whether alternative dispute resolution is a better way to reach an agreement before going to court (mitigation, arbitration,ombudsman). Il get me coat...

[d0gz]

So when will the stage 5 be ready?

[P40L VX]

God this stuff is fantastic, it makes me want to come out of the shadows and add fuel to the fire. Keep up the good work lads

[Silent1]

It's threads like this that make the VX220 community as a whole look like vultures.

I have no affiliation with any tuners or companies apart from possibly buying parts from them.

But what pisses me off is the fact that it only takes one person to say:

"Oh xxxx is a cun­t because he broke my car / charged me too much / stole my removed parts / desecrated my car"

and everyone jumps on the bandwagon with their little dig, either based on the biased previous posts, or their "'issues'

If you really have a problem, speak to the other person, get it sorted. If they aren't helping take them to court and get a judgement.

But until then, don't go posting on a forum about it, as if you're found to be the one lying, you're then opening yourself up to libel and potentially a counterclaim for damages.

As for the people who will jump in and say "but then no-one can say bad things about anyone", well frankly, if you base all your research from posts on the internet and find yourself unable to actually talk to them, you have far greater problems.

Anyway, if according to one person someone is so bad, how are they still in business?
By paying off people for shi­t work they've done? No because that wouldn't work.
By charging too much money? No because people wouldn't go back
By being con artists and fitting inferior parts? No because everyone uses the same kit

This in my opinion is why this site should have a No Naming and Shaming policy, as otherwise there will always be someone with an axe to grind for whatever reason.

[rik]

please someone walk in there and ask for a stage 5 and see how long it takes them, would TMS even carry one out anymore?

[P40L VX]

But what pisses me off is the fact that it only takes one person to say:

"Oh xxxx is a cun­t because he broke my car / charged me too much / stole my removed parts / desecrated my car

You don't realise how big the queue is, do you!

[LazyDonkey]

But what pisses me off is the fact that it only takes one person to say:

"Oh xxxx is a cun­t because he broke my car / charged me too much / stole my removed parts / desecrated my car

You don't realise how big the queue is, do you!

Also for the benefit of newbies, please realise that the people "jumping on the bandwagon" have more than a couple of hundred posts between them and maybe, just maybe have seen and heard it all before.

[Thorney]

And maybe the same people realise that some people only come on here when they can have a bit of fun making snide comments and inuendo. As ever, if anyone has actually had a problem with anything we have done then they only need to contact me and I can resolve it. People here aren't stupid, they realise when its just petty vindictiveness and not any kind of meaningful complaint.

[Blue One]

Boy! This is a tough one, having read this thread I feel the need to comment on this stuff even if this is a complex and charged item. Here are some thoughts: - Unless TMS are about to appear on Watchdog (BBC) let's not bring service issues etc on this forum, go through the usual (legal) channels - I have been to TMS on numerous occasions, as have many, and have had no complaints (okay the vending machines could be better but then its a mark up on Plans for customer service etc) - TMS has done more than any other person/organisation to promote VX220 ownership (e.g. this forum for starters) - I think JT is pretty decent cove - Let's not abuse the internet forum here to start pulling this owners community part - If there are serious service/professional issues with TMS it will come out in the wash sooner rather than later and in this business you can't get much repeat custom when that happens - If the guy claiming all this stuff is correct he certainly has my sympathy Well there you go, this from a relative outsider to the core community here, I'm sure there are many more silent observers of this thread who share these thoughts apart from the vocal minority with an axe to grind on both sides of the argument... :

[Karlosfandango]

As much as I like to read these bitch fests, when all the third parties start chipping in with there own opinions it just comes across as sour grapes and drags the real bones of the thread into the gutter. I've had very little to do with TMS but my car has, and 60k miles later it still runs perfectly, despite everything I've read on here I would still use them because I'd rather go on my own experience than those who and dig at every opportinity There seems to be huge amounts of sh*t being thrown by the 'axe to grind' group. Fair enough you may have had problems but to jump up and down every time a thread like this starts gets a bit boring. It looks like the average forum user can't be bothered with these threads and it's the usual suspects that come with the knives out because of having history with TMS. I'm sure TMS have fcuked up in the past and will probably do so again but I'm not willing to make judgement on them based solely on what I read on here. I just hope that any grievances get sorted with the minimum of fuss and expense, life is too short.

[P11 COV]

It's threads like this that make the VX220 community as a whole look like vultures.

I have no affiliation with any tuners or companies apart from possibly buying parts from them.

But what pisses me off is the fact that it only takes one person to say:

"Oh xxxx is a cun­t because he broke my car / charged me too much / stole my removed parts / desecrated my car"

and everyone jumps on the bandwagon with their little dig, either based on the biased previous posts, or their "'issues'

If you really have a problem, speak to the other person, get it sorted. If they aren't helping take them to court and get a judgement.

I was trying to keep out of this one as I know I am percieved to be a Thorney basher although I haven't really used Thorneys services (apart from a ride to Le Mans in his BMW when I wrote my VX off on route ) or made any comments against him personally. However I do have one gripe and the above comment sums it up really:

This was meant to be a independent forum for VX enthusiasts to share info. Thats why when I and a few others first bought our VX's back on 2002/3 got together on a forum on Yahoo.

A seemingly good guy called Thorney came along and said he would set up a forum because the Yahoo ones are a bit rubbish. And here we are.

So people should feel free and have the freedom to name and shame good and bad service. Thats why I'm here. I've have repeatedly slagged off Crownhill as a VX dealer for thier appalling customer service and shoddy workmanship and i hope other people have found that useful. Just because Thorney runs this site it shouldn't be any different.

There is clearly through looking at this thread more than one disgruntled customer, and I personally know of others who have had bad service but (reasons unknown to me) have kept quiet on this forum.

Thorney has made more money from the advertising aspect of this site tham he will lose through bad mouthing so don't worry on that score. He certainly doesn't look to be on the breadline to me in more ways than one

So lets have the name and shaming please whether its Plans, Coutnay, Regal, and all the other VX dealerships. Knowledge is power and good for all of us

But until then, don't go posting on a forum about it, as if you're found to be the one lying, you're then opening yourself up to libel and potentially a counterclaim for damages.

If thats the sort of world you want to live in go live in North Korea. Libel action for having a moan on a forum about someone....god you're whats tits up with this country

Edited by P11 COV, 26 January 2008 - 09:43 AM.

[cheeky_chops]

the inference had been made that I would cover things up and I think (again) things like this demonstrate that is not what I am about.

On a Without Prejudice basis I am prepared to not pursue the outstanding invoice on the basis that matters are kept confidential, this means both written and oral. Should information come to light that this is not the case I will have no hesitation in issuing proceedings to recover the amount outstanding.
John

Just hoping everyone was going to forget about VXR36 by the sound of it

[Pooh Bear]

Lets put things into context:

This is a serious amount of money spent by VXR36.

I thought spending my hard earned money on a stage 2 was a nervous enough procedure,
but stage 5....

I'm looking at stage 4 soon and I am definately not gonna jump on a band wagon but look at the results and feedback from customers.

And this kind of information has to be taken into account.

Like I said we are spending big bucks on all this tuning lark. We need to know the good, the bad and the ugly.

Edited by Penelope_Pitstop, 26 January 2008 - 12:13 PM.

[Thorney]

I guess its worthwhile pointing out that part of the bill referred to actually includes additional work undertaken, including crash repairs (not caused by us), fitting of guages and larger fuel tank, wing etc and is not related to stage 5 in any way, any additional work carried out on that front has been paid by us.