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[Thealastair34]

my effort, slight throttle lift then back on the power 

 

 

[Firthy]

IMO.... You had 2 options depending on how far out it had stepped... If it was a small slide you should lift off slightly (not a complete lift) to stop it coming round then quickly get back on the power.... Whilst steering into the slide to ride it out (As Alistair above) The big caveat here is that the other lanes are free. If it was a big slide aka Mark Higgins / mine above you have to slow the slide down by braking and correcting.... Making sure that after applying the oppo when the car pulls straight you have the wheels pointing straight! Otherwise it will continue to tank slap! The main point has to be don't go too fast for the conditions as catching a slide in one lane is not easy! Save it for the track! Oh and don't by a turbo... Drive a N/A lovely throttle response and linear power so you can do this all day

Edited by Firthy, 16 June 2013 - 02:51 PM.

[jameso]

Good control filthy!

[Firthy]

Oh and love the vids... Jimmy coming in HOT, Sammy you nutter! And god that Atom looks a handful!

[Claws]

has cadence clutching been mentioned yet?

I had touched on it. Diconnecting the drive is key as even though after a lift, the engine will still be spinning at 3k rpm(or whatever) and therefore spinning the rear wheels at that speed through the gearbox. Very snappy and effective is the old cadence clutching. It's amazing how much speed gets scrubbed off without the engine pushing on. Far too many variables to say what THE solution is, even just road Vs track is such a different style with infinitely less margin for error on the road. You don't need a big hero drift, you need the car back in check as quickly and safely as possible when on the road. Some top saves on track above!!

[VIX]

I was expecting something more along the lines of "fingers down the throat and hook the bastard out" ...

[rob999]

Who's the laughing man Firthy?

[Mike (Cliffie)]

In a straight line a gentle lift to get traction bacl AKA Snetterton last year in the wet on the Bentley Straight.

 

In a corner, oppo and plant it.

[J4EY D]

In a straight line a gentle lift to get traction bacl AKA Snetterton last year in the wet on the Bentley Straight.

 

In a corner, oppo and plant it.

 

I remember you saying that to me when you got back in the pits (from winning ). It saved me a couple of months later when exciting a motorway on trailing throttle, got half way round the bend and the rear end tried to overtake me, so i planted it at first to catch the slide then gradually came off the throttle as the Vx straightened up.

 

Then pulled into the next services to check my pants

[Firthy]

Who's the laughing man Firthy?

 

Its my friend Will... I had been chasing him for a few laps so he pulled over to let me passed and of course I went in too hot!

 

Druids is lethal in the wet though with the surface change  ..... very little grip

[drunknmunky]

I've tried liftinga little so a trailing throttle, nailing it, dipping the clutch, in a lot of different rear wheel drives, and always found the dipping the clutch and having quick steering actions is the most effective way to catch a slide, or balancing the juice and riding out the drift is the most fun but considerably trickier. As for the wet, I'd never nail it mid bend!

[Paulus H]

Getting back to the original question. If in doubt put the clutch to the floor. Instantly the problem that is causing the rear to come round is gone. Rear tyres now have maximum side grip ie neither accelerating or decelerating - just don't overcompensate with the steering as the rear comes back in line.

 

It is the simplest thing to learn about the VX.

 

Kind regards, Paul

[Paulus H]

If you want to save a big slide in a vx you need fast hands here's a big moment from Oulton earlier this year. Having harnesses / a proper seat enables you to have instant feedback and you need that feel... Notice how quick I wind the lock off to stop the fish tail.... this is what you need to do to stop the car sliding back the other way into a fish tail....

 

Ace driving meant that was a rear end slide not a fishtail. Great. Paul

[Guy009]

Can any of you offer any comment on how your changing suspension setups ( i am making the assumption some of you will have gone from standard billies to gaz/nitron/ohlins and then subsequently altered and tweaked height and stiffness to suit) have affected the ability to control/ recover a slide? With a nod In particular to the video posted recently of tim schrick working on some guys lotus and suggesting it was far more controllable oversteer-wise when on high profile tyres on steel wheels with higher and softer suspension. I would have thought the floppy Suspension and spongy sidewalls would have made it harder but I really have no experience in this area and would love to hear others thoughts/experiences.

[MAXR]

I really can't understand where this 'accelerate' crap comes from.

  I think people confuse power oversteer (as per MBez's incident) and cornering oversteer.   To quote a passage from Ross Bentleys book speed secrets   "If the car begins to oversteer a little, squeeze on more throttle to transfer a little weight to lhe rear; if it starts to understeer, ease off slightly, giving the front a little more grip. When ii's done just right, all four tires are slipping the same amount-the car perfectly balanced, neither oversteering or understeering in a perfect neutral steer attitude through the turn."  

Ah Steve, his book was good, wasn't it? It's only a matter of time before you buy another VX or Lotus!

[SteveA]

Yes, a great read thanks for the tip. At the moment I'm actually resisting buying that Atom 245 (they are based on Lotus dynamics) on Pistonheads that is going for just under £24K

 

Must...... not..... buy.....  

 

 

[rob999]

What else is there though Steve? You only live once....I think!

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Buy it and get it to the National!

[SteveA]

I'm actually probably going to put £20K into a mortgage and use the extra £5K I have to start a 7 type self build (I've always wanted to build a car from the ground up)

 

I've been in talks with a company about one of these

 

 

Track only version

Edited by SteveA, 18 June 2013 - 09:04 AM.

[siztenboots]

by the time the mortgage is done, you will be too old to enjoy the spare cash