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As you say God sure does work in dizzy ways. 

 

I hope the treatment, however severe it sounds......10 to14 hours? phewwww....does have a good effect. There are a lot of skilled individuals around that I can only doff my hat to. 

 

Whens this decision got to be taken by? I could ask a mate of mine to cast an eye over the situation.    

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As you say God sure does work in dizzy ways.    I hope the treatment, however severe it sounds......10 to14 hours? phewwww....does have a good effect. There are a lot of skilled individuals around that I can only doff my hat to.    Whens this decision got to be taken by? I could ask a mate of mine to cast an eye over the situation.    

Every little helps be a few week yet. Yes that's one major operation. Been researching it on the net ,they just basically remove this jelly like growth from all your organs and de bulk the whole area that has the jelly and remove the appendix and other bits, sounds like a suspension referb and engine rebuild all in one go

[Seb.F]

I have to add to this topic, as I have very strong beliefs in the area concerning 'gods' and religion.
 
I find there are several reasons people believe in a god. They were brought up that up, they feel it gives them some direction in life, they want to go to heaven, peer pressure, etc.
 
If you were born into a religious family, you still have your own free will to make a conscious decision on whether you wish to follow their beliefs once you are an adolescent. The problems arise when you have been brainwashed from a young child into believed that there is no other possible way. Children are naive and innocent and they can be forced down certain paths with relative ease. This isn't fair and is preying on their innocence.
 
Take a look at this, it doesn't just happen in Islam, as a lot of people portray it to:
 


I also don't feel that I need to have a religion to give my life a direction or reason. I am a happy, well rounded individual. Why would I need a 'belief' to guide my direction?

With regards to going to heaven - how many religions are there out there? If I were to follow one religion, if that religion is false, would that deny me access to heaven?
How about thinking of it this way:
If there is a god, and he is good, as long as I live my life to the best of my ability and do not do wrong to others, I should be on track for getting into heaven.
If there is a god, and he is bad, shunning all others from any other religion than his own, a lot of people are going to be screwed over getting into heaven.
If there is no god, we all just die. Harsh, but true.

I see no direct evidence of god existing, therefore I do not think there is a god. It's not that I don't "believe" in god, I just don't think he exists in the first place.

You can't use the argument of "But look how complex and intricate our eyes are, how amazing all the systems that keep us ticking are, etc etc, a god MUST have created us because there's no other way it could have happened". When I ask religious people why they think god created us, they answer with something like that. Or "because it says so in *whatever book*". Sorry, I don't buy it. Circular reasoning is not a valid argument.

Cause and effect reasons are absolute balls to. "I prayed for him to be cured of cancer and then he was!" Ok, so how do you know he was cured BECAUSE you prayed? "Because I prayed then he got better..." Not a good enough reason. If I were to have a headache, take an ibuprofen and also pray for it stop, then it did, what stopped my headache? The ibuprofen, or the prayer. How about I don't take the ibuprofen, what caused the headache to go away? Was it the prayer? How can you PROVE it was the prayer? Exactly, the entirety of religion relies on blind faith and guesswork, not true facts.

That is why the worldwide numbers of those following a religion in educated countries is diminishing. In the USA alone, atheist numbers almost doubled in the last 10 years or so I think. It's mainly due to the education system nowadays. People are taught that, in science for example, to provide adequate explanation for something, there must be evidence and a reason. Kids just aren't seeing that in religion nowadays, they are asking their own questions which inevitably results in some of them turning away from faith and religion.

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Seb I agree , you can't prove a prayer works but you can prove it does not. I have seen religious folk pray for a youngster that had Lukemia, a close friend with terminal cancer and a another friend with brain damage after a car crash. Plenty praying but they all died. But then you have the amazing quote, the quote to end all quotes " it's gods will ". So if it's Gods will why the hell pray in the first place. If you have a sick child that's going to die and everyone prays for it why would god say p*ss off you lot I want it to die? The answer is simple a prayer has never ever saved anyone. My favourite was the church full of worshipers all praying to god when the roof fell in and killed most of them, maybe god was on a day off or maybe it was just Gods will.

[Rosssco]

But other well beareded men can do amazing things - Santa can manipulate the space-time continuum to enable many millions of deliveries in one night, Gandalf washed his robes and came back from the dead and defeated a Balrock, so why do you assume Jesus can't make it rain?

[LY_Scott]

Isn't the image we have of jesus a mixture of something the Romans gave us? Sun god and some emperor. Let's face it. He doesn't look middle eastern in the images we see today....

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Roof fell in.*

 

* Yer never know when your time's up. Face it, aint none of us gonna get out of here alive.

 

They were all following that old thought...live your life well because you dont know when its up.

And that congregation were doing the right thing at the right time me thinks.

 

Which begs the even larger knee tembler for all you non believers... Did they all wake up in heaven?

[LY_Scott]

Really does not worry me as I don't believe in it.

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Roof fell in.*   * Yer never know when your time's up. Face it, aint none of us gonna get out of here alive.   They were all following that old thought...live your life well because you dont know when its up. And that congregation were doing the right thing at the right time me thinks.   Which begs the even larger knee tembler for all you non believers... Did they all wake up in heaven?

Wrong they could have all lived a better life if not wasting half of it in the bloody church ! And the ones left alive in agony with limbs shattered and bits missing and sons and daughters dead would be a bit pissed off that they missed the elevator me thinks. But it's ok it's Gods will and that makes it all ok Same goes for the war torn country's when the army's move in and slaughter all the men woman and children hiding and praying in the churches because it's the wrong religion or wrong tribe or what ever, gods will, try telling that to the tortured raped and murdered innocent folk praying for survival. Sorry but I will never be convinced of the almighty. His knees should be trembling if I ever get to stand in front of him, can't wait to tell him what I think of him, especially if like now I have had a scotch or three

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Any particular Scotch? I dont know that much about Whisky as Vodka and Leffe are my poison. I do like Knob Creek but I think Im right

in saying its a burbon and def not a Scotch. All have the same effect though.  

 

I think God knows you're after him, so dont be disappointed that when you do come face to face He's wearing shin pads.

 

 

[Baron Von Scubadaddy]

Bleesed are the cheese makers !!

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Any particular Scotch? I dont know that much about Whisky as Vodka and Leffe are my poison. I do like Knob Creek but I think Im right in saying its a burbon and def not a Scotch. All have the same effect though.     I think God knows you're after him, so dont be disappointed that when you do come face to face He's wearing shin pads.    

You are right vodka is poison

[RabnaKS]

Thought I had a Jimi Hendrix fan at the door, offering The Watchtower.  After a polite shake of the hand from me, the guy turned to the VX & asked what model it was. LOL. Then less then 5 mins later 2 old dears knocked & offered me another edition of Hendrix autobiog, I asked if they were in contact with the boss, cos the rest of the gang have just gone down the street, they must have been Angels because they said they'd only just arrived?  Tut tut

[hairy]

The Pope was arguing with an Atheist about the existence of God and failing to get his point across. They had been arguing for two hours and finally the Pope in frustration sat down. "Listen," said the Pope, "You are like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn't there. What do you say to that?" The Atheist thought for a moment. "Yes your Holiness, you are probably right," he said, "but you are also like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn't there. The only difference is, you have found the cat."

[Zoobeef]

Just watching series 4 of Vayager and Nelix did for 18 hours, he found there was no afterlife in those 18 hours he was away and really struggled with it. If the 24th century cant show that theres a god then thats me fully convinced.

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The Pope was arguing with an Atheist about the existence of God and failing to get his point across. They had been arguing for two hours and finally the Pope in frustration sat down. "Listen," said the Pope, "You are like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn't there. What do you say to that?" The Atheist thought for a moment. "Yes your Holiness, you are probably right," he said, "but you are also like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn't there. The only difference is, you have found the cat."

I like that

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Hello God fearing people. Good morning Atheists. And a very good morning to Scotch loving Mr Hand.

 

So here we are in the 20c and we still cant prove God exists. What does this really tell us?

 

Firstly God dont want to be proved to exist. 

 

Secondly for all our iphones and computers and space travel and stage 4's we really are nothing at all. Its just that we are led to believe our own hype as to how

dam clever we are.

 

And it also goes some way to show how infinitely ahead of the game God really is. And as the title of this thread is Do you believe in God, not can you prove God exists, well God exists outside of man's belief or man's scientific proof.

 

Science aint never going to be able to prove God's existance because God wants belief no science.

 

  

Think I need another Vodka fix. 

 

[peteslag]

For me, God, bees and the police have one thing in common. I leave them alone, they leave me alone!

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Hello God fearing people. Good morning Atheists. And a very good morning to Scotch loving Mr Hand.   So here we are in the 20c and we still cant prove God exists. What does this really tell us?   Firstly God dont want to be proved to exist.    Secondly for all our iphones and computers and space travel and stage 4's we really are nothing at all. Its just that we are led to believe our own hype as to how dam clever we are.   And it also goes some way to show how infinitely ahead of the game God really is. And as the title of this thread is Do you believe in God, not can you prove God exists, well God exists outside of man's belief or man's scientific proof.   Science aint never going to be able to prove God's existance because God wants belief no science.      Think I need another Vodka fix.   

And a good afternoon to you. I think you are wrong (strange that lol) with the rate of progression of science in time we will know everything and will be able to do anything are imaginations can dream up. From a flat earth to machines on Mars in a few years we will have no limits as to what man can do in 10,000 or 100,000 years or longer.We will be spread all over the universe eventually it's just a matter of time. Anyway it may not be long before the other beings from outer space thats knocking about finally show up and explain away your god as a good idea to keep less educated folk from a long time back on the straight and narrow, it was a good idea in them days but we have our own rules and laws these days and don't need gods rules, he only has 10 anyway that's not enough these days wouldn't cover the first few pages of the Highway Code we have moved on, well some of us. On a side note. Group of god squad folk preaching in Southport yesterday, I stopped to listen and was asked did I believe in God Bad move. when I told him no he said he would pray for me. I said don't bother as a prayer has never worked. Now the best bit, he said you wouldn't want me to pray for your death would you ! I replied please yourself so he asked my name shook my hand and then ! Closed his eyes put his hands together and asked The Lord Almighty to please take Gordon's life within the next year ! What a bastard So I said thanks for that can't wait but hopefully god willing I will see you in two years. Another gem, I asked when a preyer had ever worked for him Now this is awesome , he broke down in island and had no money so asked god for help and found a £20 on the floor FFS bet it was one I dropped

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That Southport lot weren't very nice. You wont go near them again. And I cant blame you if you had lamped  that character. 

Least they didnt try to covert you.

 

As for human understanding of all things earthly and physical, Im sure advances will continue but they will never be able to match 

God's knowledge. Course we can never reason this out as you're about to drop dead in a years time and I dont plan on being around for another

100,000 years. 

 

ps whats your take on that Ukip bod getting suspended for suggesting God has sent the recent floods to punish the government?