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[LY_Scott]

ps whats your take on that Ukip bod getting suspended for suggesting God has sent the recent floods to punish the government? 

 

 

Think his suspension and probably career ending is an example of Darwinism working in society as well as nature.

[LY_Scott]

http://www.thedailym...s-2014012082721

[ghand]

Well at least he didn't pray for them all to die in the next year like I have had You do wonder what goes on in some peoples heads, they must only have two brain cells and one is pushing the other around in a wheel chair (I have dozens left) As to me dropping dead in the next year, are you a betting man? I could drive slower and drink less that would push things in my favour .

Edited by ghand, 21 January 2014 - 05:26 PM.

[casino]

Who else could we get Gordon's Southport gods-squad prayer mate to pray for next year? List 1.Assad 2.Kim Jong-un 3.Mugabe

[RabnaKS]

Who else could we get Gordon's Southport gods-squad prayer mate to pray for next year? List 1.Assad 2.Kim Jong-un 3.Mugabe

Is this a gen pick on someone's non-belief?  I mean, we could give a reminder of a few people who may have taken their beliefs a little too far & chastised & then worse in most cases by the so called believers? David Ike, St Peter, Jesus etc

[RabnaKS]

The Pope was arguing with an Atheist about the existence of God and failing to get his point across. They had been arguing for two hours and finally the Pope in frustration sat down. "Listen," said the Pope, "You are like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn't there. What do you say to that?" The Atheist thought for a moment. "Yes your Holiness, you are probably right," he said, "but you are also like a man in a dark room, with no lights and windows, wearing a blindfold looking for a black cat that isn't there. The only difference is, you have found the cat."

  Copied this to my Happy Clappy Sis & got a tit for tat reply. Oh dear! Can't you make these decisions without being religious or is it against the rules?

[Goosenka]

Errr that's a Rowan Atkinson sketch

[Seb.F]

Had a "discussion" with a believer of the creation the other day. They were claiming how it was unrealistic to believe in the big bang because what, it just came from 'particles' that are out there? Where did those particles come from? Etc etc. Then I turned it around. So you are telling me that you believe in an all powerful creator of the universe? That something/someone must then surely be MORE powerful than the universe itself? In which case, where did that someone come from? Is there another 'god' above our god who created all gods? And where did that god then come from? It just goes round in circles. At least I freely admit to not knowing the exact details of how the big bang came about, instead of just making crap up to try and fill my void in knowledge. I'm happy not knowing, because it means I have something to work towards.

[Rosssco]

At least I freely admit to not knowing the exact details of how the big bang came about, instead of just making crap up to try and fill my void in knowledge. I'm happy not knowing, because it means I have something to work towards.

 

Exactly. Only humans would be arrogant enough to believe we have managed to fully percieve and understand the entire universe, our place (or lack of) within it, in its entirely in just a few thousand years of social evolution...

 

We don't understand so we created something that fits the gap. We created "God" not the other way around.

[casino]

God's always been in existence. No one created God. Pretty mega proposition eh? 

 

Its just that our nature is not set to understand or accept something so big. Pretty simple really. 

Just like the ability to be in several places at the same time. Impossible for us, but not for God.

 

Thats why God is God. Because nowt is impossible. Just that we can only look at the existence of God through human thinking.

 

  

[slindborg]

So you are saying there doesnt have to be a beginning or an end.... in that case there is no middle and none of us exist.

[Seb.F]

God's always been in existence. No one created God. Pretty mega proposition eh?    Its just that our nature is not set to understand or accept something so big. Pretty simple really.  Just like the ability to be in several places at the same time. Impossible for us, but not for God.   Thats why God is God. Because nowt is impossible. Just that we can only look at the existence of God through human thinking.     

So how are you happy believing in an 'almighty and powerful' being, somewhere out there in the ether, yet you're not comfortable believing science which can explain from quarks to hadrons to atoms to cells to life and so on. Sure, there are some gaps, but why do you feel you have to fill those gaps with a fictional being? A lot of people I ask this question to either answer something along the lines of 'because it's the only reasonable explanation'. Unfortunately it's not a reasonable explanation as it includes zero logical consequences precluding it. You can't just make up a thing and say that it must be true because there are no other explanations. I don't mind people saying that they believe it, personally I feel everyone should be free to believe what they wish. But don't try and disguise it as fact. Facts require evidence and verifiability, of which there is none for the existence of god.

[ghand]

God's always been in existence. No one created God. Pretty mega proposition eh?    Its just that our nature is not set to understand or accept something so big. Pretty simple really.  Just like the ability to be in several places at the same time. Impossible for us, but not for God.   Thats why God is God. Because nowt is impossible. Just that we can only look at the existence of God through human thinking.     

So how are you happy believing in an 'almighty and powerful' being, somewhere out there in the ether, yet you're not comfortable believing science which can explain from quarks to hadrons to atoms to cells to life and so on. Sure, there are some gaps, but why do you feel you have to fill those gaps with a fictional being? A lot of people I ask this question to either answer something along the lines of 'because it's the only reasonable explanation'. Unfortunately it's not a reasonable explanation as it includes zero logical consequences precluding it. You can't just make up a thing and say that it must be true because there are no other explanations. I don't mind people saying that they believe it, personally I feel everyone should be free to believe what they wish. But don't try and disguise it as fact. Facts require evidence and verifiability, of which there is none for the existence of god.

People's evidence is only what they believe and they truly believe if they pray God answers so that is the proof they need, if he doesn't that's ok as it's Gods will. So it's win win they have is cut and dried. I don't get the folk that say God lets all the bad stuff happen as he will not intervene but pray for him to change things. That makes no sense whatsoever. God will let all the men,woman and kids get starved,raped,tortured and murdered all aver the world as he will not intervene but i will pray for God to cure my bad back, if it gets cured god did it if not it's his will. Explain that one as its beyond me. He either can intervene or not. If he can then he is wicked beyond anything, if he can't why pray?

[Steve.i.am]

Hi I know I started this thread (drunken mistake lol) and haven't got involved since, but thought I may as well now... Hi Casino - having trouble understanding why you think those things...  

God's always been in existence. No one created God. Pretty mega proposition eh?

But this is just an assertion. Why do you think this? What evidence is there?  

Just like the ability to be in several places at the same time. Impossible for us, but not for God.

Not having a go or anything, but this is another assertion with no explanation or evidence? Interested to know why you think this.  

Because nowt is impossible.

Ok. But lots of things are highly improbable. I have fairies at the bottom of my garden. There's a celestial teapot orbiting saturn. Its not impossible, but you'd think it highly improbable and without some evidence wouldn't believe it were true.

[techieboy]

Because nowt is impossible.

Ok. But lots of things are highly improbable. I have fairies at the bottom of my garden. There's a celestial teapot orbiting saturn. Its not impossible, but you'd think it highly improbable and without some evidence wouldn't believe it were true.

 

 

I'm still hoping there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. 

[mbes2]

God's always been in existence. No one created God. Pretty mega proposition eh? 

 

Its just that our nature is not set to understand or accept something so big. Pretty simple really. 

Just like the ability to be in several places at the same time. Impossible for us, but not for God.

 

Thats why God is God. Because nowt is impossible. Just that we can only look at the existence of God through human thinking.

 

  

 

 

Hi Pete, 

 

Like the new photo... mafia boss back from holiday to Ferrari World Abu Dhabi Amusement Park type of look... like it..  works

[alexb]

Hi I know I started this thread (drunken mistake lol) and haven't got involved since, but thought I may as well now...  

 

You're the God of this thread   The other one might have started the universe with us in it for the same reason, a drunken mistake. Assuming God can be drunk. As he can be in more places at the same time, he can probably also be drunk and sober at the same time. We don't want to know the details, just give us some thunder and lightning

[casino]

" Mafia Boss? "

In the middle of all this belief/no belief Mark says Mafia Boss back from Ferrari world... That cracked me up, that was v v funny.

 

Like I said, my way of thinking , without proof etc kind of hangs on this.. Trying to fully understand God through human thought and reckoning is always bound to

throw up more questions than it answers. But for God to be God He has to exist outside our realm of possible/impossible proven through science and thinking.

 

Steves's  original question to this thread is Do you believe in God. What Ive tried to explain is yes because God wants a belief based on no evidence.

Look what happened when He tried it your scientific way, a couple of thousand years back. The Jews got narked and said God didnt appear as a man walking round 

doing good. Lots of proof was around then, lame walking, blind seeing, dead coming back to life. But nope, it wasnt good enough.

 

Cant win. But if you step outside the human realm of thought and explanation then all things become possible. Some may choose to believe in teapots in out space

I choose to believe in one almighty God. Even without proof because that's whats asked by God. 

 

[ghand]

" Mafia Boss? " In the middle of all this belief/no belief Mark says Mafia Boss back from Ferrari world... That cracked me up, that was v v funny.   Like I said, my way of thinking , without proof etc kind of hangs on this.. Trying to fully understand God through human thought and reckoning is always bound to throw up more questions than it answers. But for God to be God He has to exist outside our realm of possible/impossible proven through science and thinking.   Steves's  original question to this thread is Do you believe in God. What Ive tried to explain is yes because God wants a belief based on no evidence. Look what happened when He tried it your scientific way, a couple of thousand years back. The Jews got narked and said God didnt appear as a man walking round  doing good. Lots of proof was around then, lame walking, blind seeing, dead coming back to life. But nope, it wasnt good enough.   Cant win. But if you step outside the human realm of thought and explanation then all things become possible. Some may choose to believe in teapots in out space I choose to believe in one almighty God. Even without proof because that's whats asked by God.   

What's your take on my last little question just up the page ?

[Harry Hornet]

so this God is two faced imo, he wears a yellow shirt for 60 minutes, he gives me belief, than decides to change his colours and it all goes tits up.......ho hum.....