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[slindborg]

I have given up being nice for 40days, it will be tough but I'm sure I will succeed

[Steve.i.am]

Is it not somewhat ironic that the non-believers actually feel the need to redress the issue of believers?

Errm. Well when you have a pope going to Africa condemning condoms, or a Muslim based country making homosexuality a crime, I think it's quite justified? Sorry not sure that's what you meant though.

[ghand]

Is it not somewhat ironic that the non-believers actually feel the need to redress the issue of believers?

Errm. Well when you have a pope going to Africa condemning condoms, or a Muslim based country making homosexuality a crime, I think it's quite justified? Sorry not sure that's what you meant though.

Religion at its best, they had the uneducated burning all the condoms telling them how evil the things are thus condemning thousands to a cruel death from aids and other stds and then after the missionary work is done go back home to nice houses and nice churches. The Muslim crime of homosexuality is punishable by death ! ffs its like going back in time to burning witches. Let's just hope and "pray" religion slowly dies away.

[mbes2]

The Hoon is a religious event... 

 

 

[ghand]

The Hoon is a religious event...     

Ha ha and it has some driving Gods and some devils.

[siztenboots]

The Hoon is a religious event...

Ha ha and it has some driving Gods and some devils.

lol ha ha

[Mangham54]

Is it not somewhat ironic that the non-believers actually feel the need to redress the issue of believers?

Errm. Well when you have a pope going to Africa condemning condoms, or a Muslim based country making homosexuality a crime, I think it's quite justified? Sorry not sure that's what you meant though.

It wasn't my point, but at the same time it pales in contrast to your point. However, if you speak to a devout Christian then there is (in their eyes) no need for a jonny. If you don't release the beast until wedlock, then HIV would be less of an issue than it currently is. The problem 'comes' from converts who have already tainted their weapon.

[Seb.F]

http://www.patheos.c...ig-bang-theory/

I forget who it is that said it, but:

 

"You cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into"

 

Which is exactly why I tend to give up when trying to explain my reasons for being atheist to a religious person.

[ghand]

I wonder how many times God has been directly contacted over the missing plane in the last week ?

[V For Vendetta]

I wonder how many times God has been directly contacted over the missing plane in the last week ?

As somebody once said, "I'm talking to an empty telephone".

[slindborg]

http://www.patheos.c...ig-bang-theory/

I forget who it is that said it, but:

 

"You cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into"

 

Which is exactly why I tend to give up when trying to explain my reasons for being atheist to a religious person.

 

 

But to be Athiest you are believeing not to believe.... eg, the opposite side of the same coin. You hold a belief but not in what others believe.

 

Agnosticisimsismismsm is where one simply couldnt give a monkeys either way

[Seb.F]

With true atheists it is often not a belief at all. The reason I used atheist as opposed to agnostic is that the common misconception on agnosticism is that someone is "on the fence" when that is not true at all.

[Steve.i.am]

 

http://www.patheos.c...ig-bang-theory/

I forget who it is that said it, but:

 

"You cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into"

 

Which is exactly why I tend to give up when trying to explain my reasons for being atheist to a religious person.

 

 

But to be Athiest you are believeing not to believe.... eg, the opposite side of the same coin. You hold a belief but not in what others believe.

 

Agnosticisimsismismsm is where one simply couldnt give a monkeys either way

 

 

Hmm. Atheism is simply the rejection of God claims - usually based on insufficient evidence. So it is an absence of belief, not a belief that there is no god.

 

Gnosticism is about what you claim to know (rather than believe). Agnosticism is that you do not claim to absolutely know if a god exists or not.

 

So its perfectly possible to be an agnostic atheist - whereby you reject the belief because there is no evidence but you do not actually claim to absolutely know whether the god actually does exist or not.  

[V For Vendetta]

http://www.patheos.c...ig-bang-theory/ I forget who it is that said it, but: "You cannot reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into" Which is exactly why I tend to give up when trying to explain my reasons for being atheist to a religious person.

But to be Athiest you are believeing not to believe.... eg, the opposite side of the same coin. You hold a belief but not in what others believe. Agnosticisimsismismsm is where one simply couldnt give a monkeys either way

How about neo Darwinist.

[slindborg]

OK wiki failed

 

to put it another way.... If someone has no care about god as a concept (let alone the existence argument), what are they?

If they understand the 'concept' of god, but dont believe, what are they?

 

To Passionately 'disbelieve' (based on proof or not), to me suggests a faith but in opposition to those who believe... thus it is a religion of sorts, in its own right. I think its entirely possible to have an extreme 'god disbeliever', such as Dorkins (yes typed on purpose).

[Steve.i.am]

to put it another way.... If someone has no care about god as a concept (let alone the existence argument), what are they?

Dunno. Apathetic?  

If they understand the 'concept' of god, but dont believe, what are they?

Atheist.  

To Passionately 'disbelieve' (based on proof or not), to me suggests a faith but in opposition to those who believe... thus it is a religion of sorts, in its own right. I think its entirely possible to have an extreme 'god disbeliever', such as Dorkins (yes typed on purpose).

To not believe is just not having the belief!? Faith is holding a belief in something with no evidence. Atheism is simply a rejection of a god claim and thus not having the belief. Atheism describes no world view, or any doctrine or any view on anything else whatsoever - it isn't a religion in any way. Some people who happen to be atheists are also passionate about other things - eg hatred of organised religion for various reasons. Some atheists might also actually hate the idea of the god's that others describe - and as such could maybe be described as anti-theist? I've heard Dawkins describe Gnosticim on a 1-10 scale. EG 1 being I don't really know if a god actually exists or not, and 10 being I definitely know there is absolutely no god. He rekons he's about a 7.

[ghand]

Put me down as a 9.9

[slindborg]

But is having a belief that God doesnt eixst is ALSO placing faith in something that cannot be proven.....

 

(just making this more fun of course)

 

Myself... as before, I really dont care, churches are pretty buildings and everyone is free to believe and not believe to their hearts content

[siztenboots]

does God drink real ale , if not then why would I want to believe he exists

[Seb.F]

But is having a belief that God doesnt eixst is ALSO placing faith in something that cannot be proven.....   (just making this more fun of course)   Myself... as before, I really dont care, churches are pretty buildings and everyone is free to believe and not believe to their hearts content

Not really, while science is based on evidence, it is normally evidence of a theory that needs to be proved. So if I said a unicorn lives in my garden, for it to be scientifically accepted I would have to prove it was there, right? However, the status of whether god exists or not is a different story. I do not need to prove god doesn't exist, because I am NOT the one making the claim. I am merely stating that god does not exist until it is proven he does. Again. I am not making the original claim that god doesn't exist. I am disputing the claim of the religious that he does. I am merely saying "that's ridiculous, show me some proof".