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[Andrew aka Stuwy]

I did and it was ignored

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

There is (allegedly) no evidence that God exists.  .

 

Lets get something straight, there is NO evidence god exists, there is also NO evidence to say that he does not exist.

 

Let me put it another way, if I decide that aliens exist. I can if I want believe with all my being that is so. A lot of people will think I am nuts. BUT there is NO evidence to show they do OR do not exist.

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

You've got it all wrong Andrew/Stewy. If everyone just agreed with me, there would be nothing to fight about. But really, the cold war was about religion ?

 

No I don't have it all wrong, that's my opinion there is no right or wrong..

 

If there was no religion from the start of earth and civilisation and there was no divisions USA and Russia wont have existed as they do now and no.

 

The answer is no, religion has shaped the world so much over the years that everything is about religion. indirectly or directly.

[Zuber]

So, you are saying that reckon I'd responsible for all the good in the world too, directly or indirectly

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

So, you are saying that reckon I'd responsible for all the good in the world too, directly or indirectly

Yes. If you believe in religion. But believing in religions and God are not one and the same. I never said if I believe one way or another. All I said to casino was saying God is good because he does good is stupid if you also accept that he does bad. It/God has to be everything good and bad or nothing. And this is no dig at you perticually as I am not ware of you beliefs but the thing that grinds me the most is religion picking and choosing what it wants to use when. God either created everything including the bad and evil and good and love or did not. If he did then he is not all good. If he did not then he is not all powerful. It the blaintant contradiction that annoys me.

Edited by Andrew aka Stuwy, 24 November 2015 - 06:28 PM.

[Ormes]

If there is a god (yeah OK), I prey he pops to Russia and asks for restraint... WW3 anyone?

[KurtVerbose]

 

 

So you can believe and worship and obey him and then get eternal life, end off simple 👍😄 The God which ever one you believe in needs to be worshiped or he/she gets very pissed off and burns you for ever more even if your a jolly nice chap who helps old ladies across the road 😂 Burn,burn forever if you won't get down on blended knee and worship me, well how about p*ss off that's not the type of guy I want to know 👍

 

Have you posted in the correct topic thread?  Shouldn't this be in the Friday Night Whiskey, Talking Shite Thread?

 

I'm here to play Devil's advocate and not to support either side but that really is a very simplistic anthropomorphic generalised misinterpretation of an amalgam of religious belief.

If you're a non believer fair enough, but at least, as a matter of courtesy for those here who do sincerely believe, present a lucid argument for your position?

 

 

 

 

Actually, that pretty much summed it up for me. Don't know about an amalgam of religious beliefs but it's certainly christianity. Can't see your problem with it.  

[AlfaAversion]

Maybe if children were not "born into a religion" as my Muslim friend puts it but could choose when they have formed a good understanding of the world things could be different .....better

[ghand]

 

  So you can believe and worship and obey him and then get eternal life, end off simple 👍😄 The God which ever one you believe in needs to be worshiped or he/she gets very pissed off and burns you for ever more even if your a jolly nice chap who helps old ladies across the road 😂 Burn,burn forever if you won't get down on blended knee and worship me, well how about p*ss off that's not the type of guy I want to know 👍  

Have you posted in the correct topic thread?  Shouldn't this be in the Friday Night Whiskey, Talking Shite Thread?   I'm here to play Devil's advocate and not to support either side but that really is a very simplistic anthropomorphic generalised misinterpretation of an amalgam of religious belief. If you're a non believer fair enough, but at least, as a matter of courtesy for those here who do sincerely believe, present a lucid argument for your position?     

  Actually, that pretty much summed it up for me. Don't know about an amalgam of religious beliefs but it's certainly christianity. Can't see your problem with it.  

Yep, sorry my view isn't an amalgamation of religious beliefs or a lucid argument in your eyes but that's just the way I see it and always will. You could ramble for days but in my simplistic view that's what it boils down to in the end. Sunday night I pushed Jans brother in a wheel chair as he has Lung cancer, brain tumours, leg amputated and throat cancer at 57. The poor guy is in agony and I've watched him suffer with not long left for this world. I pushed him to see his mother who had just died in Whiston Hospital after taking years to slowly die. Soon I will be sat in church while some guy says God is wonderful and we sing his praises well gues what I know someone who will have tight lips on that day. Similar to when I watched a young kid die of Lukemea years back and sat and watched all the God squad pray for weeks for the toddler, guess God was on his holidays that month. I never sang his praises then either.

Edited by ghand, 25 November 2015 - 02:19 PM.

[FLD]

Religion is something made up by clever people to control the rest of the people.  The cleverest don't take the head honcho role to avoid sacrifice.  They just cream off the offerings.  There's nothing divine about it. 

 

ETA:

this is funny too.  Did the rounds my email many years ago.  It points out the rediculousness in religions.

http://www.pinetree....modynamics.html

 

FLD for mod

Edited by FLD, 25 November 2015 - 02:33 PM.

[ghand]

Maybe if children were not "born into a religion" as my Muslim friend puts it but could choose when they have formed a good understanding of the world things could be different .....better

I suspect a very high proportion if not most of religion is past on from family, we have covered this a few hundred pages back 👍😂 and I wrote that the two religious guys posting one Muslim and one Christian would have totally different Gods and religions if born in different family's. So what we are saying is your God is chosen for you by your family and you better hope your mum or dad picked the right God 👍

[ghand]

 

  So you can believe and worship and obey him and then get eternal life, end off simple 👍😄 The God which ever one you believe in needs to be worshiped or he/she gets very pissed off and burns you for ever more even if your a jolly nice chap who helps old ladies across the road 😂 Burn,burn forever if you won't get down on blended knee and worship me, well how about p*ss off that's not the type of guy I want to know 👍  

Have you posted in the correct topic thread?  Shouldn't this be in the Friday Night Whiskey, Talking Shite Thread?   I'm here to play Devil's advocate and not to support either side but that really is a very simplistic anthropomorphic generalised misinterpretation of an amalgam of religious belief. If you're a non believer fair enough, but at least, as a matter of courtesy for those here who do sincerely believe, present a lucid argument for your position?     

  Actually, that pretty much summed it up for me. Don't know about an amalgam of religious beliefs but it's certainly christianity. Can't see your problem with it.  

Maybe a little light hearted for you Oblomov but most of the time that's just me 😂 Feel free to ask a mod to move it to the Friday pissed up thread, I won't be offended honest 😄 Oh and I stick by it as true for most main stream religions if you take all the bull sh*t to its ultimate end conclusion 👍

[oblomov]

 

Maybe a little light hearted for you Oblomov but most of the time that's just me 😂 Feel free to ask a mod to move it to the Friday pissed up thread, I won't be offended honest 😄 Oh and I stick by it as true for most main stream religions if you take all the bull sh*t to its ultimate end conclusion 👍

 

 

What?  Heavy going, moi?  Perish the thought.   It's just that somehow I really admire those on here who despite everything are prepared to stand up and profess their faith.  I somehow feel they should be respected for it and taken seriously, but I also take on board your light hearted sentiment, There's nothing wrong with that and people from Merseyside are renowned for their sense of humour.    

Edited by oblomov, 25 November 2015 - 03:23 PM.

[ghand]

  Maybe a little light hearted for you Oblomov but most of the time that's just me 😂 Feel free to ask a mod to move it to the Friday pissed up thread, I won't be offended honest 😄 Oh and I stick by it as true for most main stream religions if you take all the bull sh*t to its ultimate end conclusion 👍  

  What?  Heavy going, moi?  Perish the thought.   It's just that somehow I really admire those on here who despite everything are prepared to stand up and profess their faith.  I somehow feel they should be respected for it and taken seriously, but I also take on board your light hearted sentiment, There's nothing wrong with that and people from Merseyside are renowned for their sense of humour.    

Don't worry they know me well 😂 I have good friends who are religious, I Hoon with Zubber in Scotland and he's a great guy well apart from the fact he can't drink 😂😂😂😂 You also right about standing up for their faith as they seem to be well out numbered on here. Maybe they need to go on a Honda Jazz forum as I see plenty outside church 👍😂 Oh and I'm from Lancashire, the bastards put me in Merseyside without my permission 😂😂😂😂

[casino]

I drink Gordon...be good to share a Leffe or 6 sometime.

[KurtVerbose]

I also drink Gordons.

[ghand]

I drink Gordon...be good to share a Leffe or 6 sometime.

😄 It sure would, get on the Hoon. 👍

[ghand]

I also drink Gordons.

I don't mind a long Gordon's with ice now and again 👍😄

[oblomov]

O.K. Well, after fence sitting for so long on this subject I feel it's time to come out of the closet and reveal my true beliefs. I am in fact (and always have been) a deeply religious person, but the fact is I find my faith to be a very personal thing which is why I'm not given to proselytising, in fact I dislike it when other people try to foist their religious beliefs on me.

 

All religious arguments are basically the same, and people all over the world are killing each other because “My invisible undetectable omniscient friend is better than your invisible undetectable omniscient friend.” In fact, I'm not just a believer, I am actually an ordained minister and take my duties as a priest very seriously. In a forum like this there is always the danger of ridicule or dismissal because of unorthodox, unpopular or unconventional views, and for me such criticism of my deeply held personal beliefs would be painful, hence my reluctance to step forward and declare myself. But, others have bravely done so, and I've read their posts with admiration of their preparedness to commit publicly to their personal beliefs. This made me think long and deep about whether or not it was cowardly of me not to state my true position as they have done.

 

So here goes, I am unashamedly a Pastafarian and have been for many years. Basically we believe in anything that's good and we're against anything that's bad. We're not dogmatic about our beliefs and if you worship another God we're quite happy to abandon ours and follow yours, assuming of course you can prove that he/she/it (careful how you say that) really exists. If you're interested in learning more about Pastafarianism and the effect the Flying Spaghetti Monster has on all our lives, you can read more here on our prophet's website.

http://www.venganza.org/

We have been celebrating recently following the success of Lindsay  Miller

http://www.independe...o-a6735351.html 

our first member to allowed to wear the sacred 'Collander our official religious headwear, on her driving licence picture.  She is not wearing the sacred Pirate's Eye Patch which is also part of our official religious regalia, but, one step at a time.

 

Having opened my hear to you all in this manner I sincerely hope you will all treat my beliefs with dignity and respect jsut as I will yours.

 

Many thanks

 

ob.

 

[casino]

V funny. Hope you're happy in your beliefs.