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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:33 PM
God V science and technology. ..mans attempt to pigeon hole God. What a joke.
Why should God be limited to what we know or dont know? God can do anything. Anything outside our realm of human knowledge.
If He couldnt, then he wouldnt be God then would he.
Isn't at what peoples problem is with the theology? I've been baptised, confirmed & everything associated with RC, I've seen a lot in this world that gives me doubts about my beliefs!
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:01 PM
Some theories/thoughts of mine:
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:07 PM
I didn't follow any religion, I agree its control. And other peoples views of god - which I don't agree with.Religion is a form of control.
Since my mum got breast cancer twice the other year shes turning more religious. Pisses me off, hippy sh*t.
But I do beleive in god. Was not brought up to beleive, but certain things in life have made me beleive in a higher power - in my own way. There is too much order to the universe for not to be a higher power - just one of many reasons I believe - a mathematical perfection to the universe! Its amazing really when you think about it.
But Religions - what a load of nonsense most of it
There is very little mathematical perfection to the universe. Or perhaps better, it's not strange that the universe suits certain mathematical models, as these models were created exactly for that purpose. Maths is a tool that physicists use to model something they observe and can measure. The tool itself is neither here nor there. Pure mathematics is completely self contained, that's the whole purpose of it. Physics uses it to try and model phenomena, but the link with the 'real world' is usually far from obvious. To illustrate, Newton's law of gravity describes the gravitational force between two bodies. It does a great job as long as speeds are non-relativistic. But it doesn't say anything about how the bodies interact. That goes much deeper and is still under debate (space curvature for Einsteinian space, gravitons for quantum physics and string theory as an effort to combine the two).
And about the big bang theory, quite right, it's an elegant theory of what might have happened, but it doesn't really answer anything about a prime mover (God). So big bang happens (in what btw?). Is there a cause to that big bang? Or did it just happen by sheer coincidence?
Same with evolution. At some stage you have to start with a construct (cell, molecule, whatever) that is self replicating and capable of mutations that are self replicating too. Soon as you have that and the right challenging environment the selection process of survival of the fittest will cause diversity. Given enough time (and that we have), these constructs will become very complex. And at a certain stage conciousness happens, which gives us the ability to think about gods and how it all came about. But is that conciousness by divine intervention, or is it an evolutionary treat like eyes are?
For the records, I only believe in probability
And you can still believe in an omnipotent being when applying that logic. A few million years of human evolution will (I think) result in what we would consider to to be a god-like being, assuming we learn to harness the universe on a quantum level. They could do pretty much all the biblical stuff easily
You also have something like a Boltzmann brain, which we could be the 'God' some of us are referring to as the creator of everything. So to me its more scientifically (and mathematically) likely that if there is a 'God', its actually a highly advanced alien from another universe / dimension. The 'Big Bang' (and therefore our universe) could in fact just be the result of an experiment by an intelligence from another dimension, as sci-fi as that sounds.. In fact, it would actually fit quite well in that it would explain a few fundamental aspects of the universe which happen to be just spot on for the formation of the universe (i.e. weight / type of fundamental particles).
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No, don't believe in God. All I believe in is probability (as in 'given an enormous amount of raw material, an almost infinite amount of conditions and a very great deal of time, it's probable that sh*t happens and some of that even might be self replicating ... etc. Same idea applies to loads of other things). And for humans to evolve to more intelligence, somehow more intelligence must be favoured over less in the sense that it's more likely that intelligent people procreate with as a result more intelligent offspring. I really don't think that's happening por likely to happen. I'd sooner see machine assisted intelligence happen.
I'm all in favour of living in a simulation. Issue is, it doesn't change anything. I still die. I still don't know what will happens after that and all the other big questions still don't get answered. Would be great to influence the rules of the simulation, but that's like saying 'would be great to change the rules of the universe'.
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:47 PM
for humans to evolve to more intelligence, somehow more intelligence must be favoured over less in the sense that it's more likely that intelligent people procreate with as a result more intelligent offspring
arrghh..but what is more intelligent.,,or intelligence per se
..if I place you in the middle of the Amazon jungle...who would be survive the longest...you or the Amazon rainforest geezers and their offspring who have lived there all there life without any "western" technologies and our "high" IQ's......
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:35 PM
But surely IQ is only relative ago the culture? If you got the cleverest Brit & show him an IQ test in Arabic he would most likely come out poorly, visa versa? If you was to develop an IQ test in an Amazonian tribes culture, they would then have high IQ!
oblomov
Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:39 PM
Where/when/how did the idea of God originate? Assuming it to be a meme, how does it reproduce, and given the alleged lack of evidence for God's existence, what gives the God meme the ability to survive? It must be inferred that it has some form of value that allows its continued existence as a cultural phenomenon? It would seem to be sufficiently important to transcend all cultural boundaries in one form or another.
The Bishop of Stortford
Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:09 PM
Orrrr he's the ultimate developer in that he knocked up v1.0 of earth, found we were all dicks so wiped out with the flood lark and went for v2.0, turns out we are still dicks so dropped the support and buggered off to start again in Linux on another planet.Some theories/thoughts of mine:
[*] God created the earth and science years ago..... but he's dead now and that's why nasty sh*t happens.
[*] The bible is a point of view rather than an actual account of anything, hence the fact that there's tonnes of different versions of the bible.
[*] Native religion in this country is not really fanatical but gives comfort to a lot of old people who have lost someone or people in times of trouble.
[*]The Church can be a good community for people to get together.
[*] People's opinion on different religions depends entirely on who was teaching/telling them about it.
[*] People interpret the bible in different ways and often to try and back up some point they are making at the time.
[*] Like others I have absolutely no problem with religion as long as people don't force it down my throat and don't harm others in doing so.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:06 AM
Well it's obvious he's buggered off or croaked or he would not let all this sh*t happen if he does then we need a new a God and preferably at this time of night one who likes a nice scotch or twoOrrrr he's the ultimate developer in that he knocked up v1.0 of earth, found we were all dicks so wiped out with the flood lark and went for v2.0, turns out we are still dicks so dropped the support and buggered off to start again in Linux on another planet.Some theories/thoughts of mine:
[*] God created the earth and science years ago..... but he's dead now and that's why nasty sh*t happens.
[*] The bible is a point of view rather than an actual account of anything, hence the fact that there's tonnes of different versions of the bible.
[*] Native religion in this country is not really fanatical but gives comfort to a lot of old people who have lost someone or people in times of trouble.
[*]The Church can be a good community for people to get together.
[*] People's opinion on different religions depends entirely on who was teaching/telling them about it.
[*] People interpret the bible in different ways and often to try and back up some point they are making at the time.
[*] Like others I have absolutely no problem with religion as long as people don't force it down my throat and don't harm others in doing so.
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Edited by ghand, 14 December 2013 - 12:08 AM.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 08:37 AM
God aint buggered off anywhere. Better hope God doesn't or we're all fooked.
Why blame God for all the duff things that happen? The devil should take the blame.
Oh, I forgot, maybe he dont exist either.
Someone say Plasti Dip?
Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:23 AM
God aint buggered off anywhere. Better hope God doesn't or we're all fooked.
Why blame God for all the duff things that happen? The devil should take the blame.
Oh, I forgot, maybe he dont exist either.
Nothing wrong with the devil...
I have friends who wont get in my VX as it has 666 on the number plate
The Bishop of Stortford
Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:27 AM
Prove it that he's not gone anywhere then.... And also prove that the devil exists too while you're at it. Note I don't need to prove they don't exist as I don't need to believe in things that do exist, eg I don't believe in minis (old or new)God aint buggered off anywhere. Better hope God doesn't or we're all fooked. Why blame God for all the duff things that happen? The devil should take the blame. Oh, I forgot, maybe he dont exist either.
Edited by slindborg, 14 December 2013 - 11:35 AM.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:56 PM
Just mŷ opinion but I think evil is just what men do. To think we have some power out in the universe that is evil is just plane mad, why the hell (sorry) would we have some all powerful intelligent being that's whole purpose to exists is to fcuk people up. It's just plain mental and makes no sense whatsoever. Actually the devil is even more of a stupid idea than a God. I can see why some may want to think we have our creator knocking about and if your a good boy you can join him when you croak but to think of a devil who just gets his kicks from suffering is even more mad. These two almighty all seeing all powerful creatures seemed happy to watch dinosaurs play for millions of years but all of a sudden play a game of good man bad mad with us for a change, you take the good guys and I will take the bad, wonder if they drew straws. Sorry about the dinosaurs reference againGod aint buggered off anywhere. Better hope God doesn't or we're all fooked. Why blame God for all the duff things that happen? The devil should take the blame. Oh, I forgot, maybe he dont exist either.
Just my thoughts , but the more I think about a devil the dafter it becomes to me.
Someone say Plasti Dip?
Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:08 PM
Just to lighten things up a bit....
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:17 PM
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Edited by ghand, 14 December 2013 - 01:18 PM.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:18 PM
ok ....if it wasnt "the hand of god" cos everybody said so including the liitle runt himself......whos fecking hand was it when Maradona scored against England in the world cup.... 
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:19 PM
Mmmm may have to change my viewsok ....if it wasnt "the hand of god" cos everybody said so including the liitle runt himself......whos fecking hand was it when Maradona scored against England in the world cup....
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:19 PM
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:22 PM
You could pull on itHmmm I believe in that!!! But I can't devide which side I would go for - the tail on the devil concerns me somewhat.
Not keen on the Angels shoes
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:24 PM
You could pull on itHmmm I believe in that!!! But I can't devide which side I would go for - the tail on the devil concerns me somewhat.
Fussy bugger.
Someone say Plasti Dip?
Posted 14 December 2013 - 02:15 PM
It really depends how you believe I guess.
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