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[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

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[casino]

Like I said earlier, the best trick the devil played on us is to make us doubt if he exists. So carry on doubting...you're in my humble op being taken in by this. 

Evil manifests itself through what men do. The devil knows his game is up and he's aiming to take as many of us down with him when his time is up. And its gonna be pretty spectacular by all accounts.

 

Mbes 2 can you intro me to that young woman...err devil in Ferrari red?

 

There you go, see, what we have is choices. Choices to believe when all the evidence is stacked against us or to say its all a load of brain washing designed to keep us on the straight and narrow.

 

We have a knowledge of good and of evil... Im sure we all agree on this. Its up to us which side we come down on. The good side aint meant to be a bed of roses. Its full of hard times when you just have to trust. Its full of sad times. Its not really a matter of just saying I believe, you really have to walk the walk and talk the talk. 

 

The other side is meant to look like a huge bed of roses full of nice treats like the woman in red. Its an easy road to go down, it always looks nice and tempting. But it so isnt all its cracked up to be.  

 

Look, believe me, both sides of the coin exist. They're busy fighting over us. Watching us, enjoying this debate... (well the devil will be liking the God bashing at any rate) I can only hope that God is a little tickled that for once I'm sticking my neck out on his behalf. 

 

Dont forget, that BIBLE series is on tonight 9pm C4. 

 

Edited by casino, 14 December 2013 - 03:36 PM.

[Darcini]

Ok, so I'm a scientist of some sort, a real genius. I, through genetics and manipulation of DNA create a new life form. Something like a cross between a meerkat and a furbee. I make them sentient, give them intelligence and the ability to make decisions, feel pain, be subject to diseases etc. I then basically leave them to get on with things, breeding, evolving, dying, all the while watching with huge interest. On a slow day I'll throw in a natural disaster or two, killing hundreds, thousands even, causing unimaginable suffering. Just to liven things up you see. Or maybe create a new disease, see how they react, how they cope or not. Fascinating stuff. Then, to come to the real point of my experiment, I give them a God to believe in. Their creator. (me basically) Now I don't give them proof I do actually exist of course, just a vague idea, a faith if you like. They have to make their own minds up, (and remember, I gave them those minds in the first place) to believe or not, their choice. I call myself God, no idea why really, just the first name came to mind. And this is the really good bit, as a real incentive, once the 'believers' die they get to go on to an eternal paradise, full of virgins/unlimited Indian food/supercharged VX's etc. The non believers are subject to an eternity of watching reruns of Lizard Lick Towing on Dave. To further add to the mix, I throw in several similar but different versions of this God, and call it religion. Oh how I laugh at the mayhem this causes. And remember, because I gave these 'beings' sentience, none of the bad things that happen are my fault, I'm just interested, as a scientist, in what happens. So, in our civilised society how would I be perceived? Would I be allowed to continue with this experiment, to continue to allow these sentient animals to suffer as they do, because as their creator I am surely responsible for their wellbeing? Just my view

[Bargi]

most compelling post so far   God = Scientist creationism = science experiment mind = blown  

[techieboy]

most compelling post so far   God = Scientist creationism = science experiment mind = blown minis (old or new) = sh!t 

 

 

[Zuber]

Oh go on then. I'll bite...

 

Yes I believe in God. The reason you guys are all confused is you are obviously following/studying the wrong religion

 

Gordon, behave or I'll bring up those horns again...

 

I try to keep such topics fairly light unless someone actually wants to go deeper, but do take my region seriously. And I don't have all the answers (God does...).

Edited by Zuber, 14 December 2013 - 11:45 PM.

[Zoobeef]

, but do take my region seriously. .

You see, I dont at all. I live in nottinghamshire now but I'm a Yorkshire man at heart

[Zuber]

You can see how these disputes start. A small typo or bit of misinterpretation and all hell breaks loose... Spell checkers are responsible for so many of the worlds problems...

 

 

Anyway, Yorkshire man. As a former Lancashire man, I'll be watching you...

Edited by Zuber, 15 December 2013 - 08:21 AM.

[mbes2]

http://en.wikipedia....xistence_of_God

 

 

[hairy]

Ok, so I'm a scientist of some sort, a real genius. I, through genetics and manipulation of DNA create a new life form. Something like a cross between a meerkat and a furbee. I make them sentient, give them intelligence and the ability to make decisions, feel pain, be subject to diseases etc. I then basically leave them to get on with things, breeding, evolving, dying, all the while watching with huge interest. On a slow day I'll throw in a natural disaster or two, killing hundreds, thousands even, causing unimaginable suffering. Just to liven things up you see. Or maybe create a new disease, see how they react, how they cope or not. Fascinating stuff. Then, to come to the real point of my experiment, I give them a God to believe in. Their creator. (me basically) Now I don't give them proof I do actually exist of course, just a vague idea, a faith if you like. They have to make their own minds up, (and remember, I gave them those minds in the first place) to believe or not, their choice. I call myself God, no idea why really, just the first name came to mind. And this is the really good bit, as a real incentive, once the 'believers' die they get to go on to an eternal paradise, full of virgins/unlimited Indian food/supercharged VX's etc. The non believers are subject to an eternity of watching reruns of Lizard Lick Towing on Dave. To further add to the mix, I throw in several similar but different versions of this God, and call it religion. Oh how I laugh at the mayhem this causes. And remember, because I gave these 'beings' sentience, none of the bad things that happen are my fault, I'm just interested, as a scientist, in what happens. So, in our civilised society how would I be perceived? Would I be allowed to continue with this experiment, to continue to allow these sentient animals to suffer as they do, because as their creator I am surely responsible for their wellbeing? Just my view

 

and the answer is ....  42

[Zuber]

and the answer is ....  42

 

 

Indeed. But what they don't tell you is 42 what ? That's the real question...

 

Edited by Zuber, 15 December 2013 - 11:12 AM.

[hairy]

DD cup

[oblomov]

Ok, so I'm a scientist of some sort, a real genius. I, through genetics and manipulation of DNA create a new life form. Something like a cross between a meerkat and a furbee. I make them sentient, give them intelligence and the ability to make decisions, feel pain, be subject to diseases etc. I then basically leave them to get on with things, breeding, evolving, dying, all the while watching with huge interest. On a slow day I'll throw in a natural disaster or two, killing hundreds, thousands even, causing unimaginable suffering. Just to liven things up you see. Or maybe create a new disease, see how they react, how they cope or not. Fascinating stuff. Then, to come to the real point of my experiment, I give them a God to believe in. Their creator. (me basically) Now I don't give them proof I do actually exist of course, just a vague idea, a faith if you like. They have to make their own minds up, (and remember, I gave them those minds in the first place) to believe or not, their choice. I call myself God, no idea why really, just the first name came to mind. And this is the really good bit, as a real incentive, once the 'believers' die they get to go on to an eternal paradise, full of virgins/unlimited Indian food/supercharged VX's etc. The non believers are subject to an eternity of watching reruns of Lizard Lick Towing on Dave. To further add to the mix, I throw in several similar but different versions of this God, and call it religion. Oh how I laugh at the mayhem this causes. And remember, because I gave these 'beings' sentience, none of the bad things that happen are my fault, I'm just interested, as a scientist, in what happens. So, in our civilised society how would I be perceived? Would I be allowed to continue with this experiment, to continue to allow these sentient animals to suffer as they do, because as their creator I am surely responsible for their wellbeing? Just my view

In one of his early books Richard Dawkins (fervent anti religionist) discussed an experiment whereby a computer program had been created which demonstrated that the 'entities' created by the program could spontaneously reproduce and mutate/evolve without any outside interferrence.  This was 'proof' that living things could replicate/evolve in just the same way, without the need for God.  I fell off my chair laughing when I read this because what he'd failed to realise was that he was God, the creator of the program, who laid down the rules by which these entities existed.  His program couldn't exixt without a creator.

[ghand]

Oh go on then. I'll bite...   Yes I believe in God. The reason you guys are all confused is you are obviously following/studying the wrong religion   Gordon, behave or I'll bring up those horns again...   I try to keep such topics fairly light unless someone actually wants to go deeper, but do take my region seriously. And I don't have all the answers (God does...).

you just have, and anyway religion is religion they all end up with some top guy pulling the strings don't they?

[mbes2]

The normal old fashion way to resolve this question is to start a war

[LY_Scott]

A beleif in we don't fully understand everything around us, spiritual I guess.

 

Institutionalised religion where people buy into what has been written then politically edited and makes a few people very wealthy and powerful. Not into that.

 

I'd probably get the jail for such views a few  hundred years ago...which says it all really.

[Zuber]

 

Oh go on then. I'll bite...   Yes I believe in God. The reason you guys are all confused is you are obviously following/studying the wrong religion   Gordon, behave or I'll bring up those horns again...   I try to keep such topics fairly light unless someone actually wants to go deeper, but do take my region seriously. And I don't have all the answers (God does...).

you just have, and anyway religion is religion they all end up with some top guy pulling the strings don't they?

 

 

Everything always ends up with some top guy pulling the strings... We live in a 'Democracy', still feels like someone at the top is pulling the strings and we get...

 

That's just people that crave power using whatever tools are available to them at the time...  

Edited by Zuber, 16 December 2013 - 10:30 AM.

[Horace]

Read Scott Adams (Dilbert) mini book 'Gods Debris'.  Great read.

 

In a nutshell.

 

God is omnipotent.  He knows everything that has been, and everything that will be.  So he's bored because he knows everything thats going to happen.

So he hatches a cunning plan.  He decides to blow himself up, just to see how that changes the picture.

 

Hence the 'big bang'.  We are all God's Debris.

 

Apparently, in about 50 trillion quadrillion years, there's going to be a 'TA DA' event!!

[Harry Hornet]

if "god" isnt doing anything useful at the moment then there is a job going at Watford to keep him/her amused for a while....

 

... only job experience required is "some devine intervention" to stop the rot.....

 

....oh and the need to speak Italian 

 

HH

[turbobob]

Ahhhhh Watford. Thanks for the points