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[MartinS]

It ends up costing around £4000, whether its worth it or not I don't know yet. It isnt the simple straight swap that was the initial impression.

 

Martin S

 

 

 

[Exmantaa]

It can be a relative simple straight swap, but add headporting + expensive cams + springs to the equation and it adds up...

 

Simple cheap swap:

Stock B207, Fit 2nd hand LSJ cams (pm if you need a pair) with LSJ/Z22SE sprockets. Oil cooler adapter plate. Exhaust camshaft block off plate. External Z22SE trigger set-up and fit a (lightened) Pot Type C20XE/LET flywheel. (or the aftermarket flywheels offered here)  

 

3.1 pulley and dual pass SC set-up; 280-ish BHP all day long.

 

Edit; you can run with  the stock Saab camshafts, but they're designed for a turbo set-up.

Edited by Exmantaa, 18 June 2015 - 09:53 AM.

[WrightStuff]

 

I would prefer to be on track with 250 bhp than sitting next to it with the possibly, occasional, fingers crossed, please don't pack up on me 300 plus.

 

 

[JG]

260hp at spa this week is spot on. it's not scary, its reliable and hughely enjoyable.

 

I'd want a different car, rather than trying to make this one more powerful. In other words, the vx as it is currently with sticky tyres, decent suspension, decent brakes and 260hp is perfectly balanced. It results in a car that can be driven at 10/10th

[siztenboots]

exactly that

[PaulCP]

Yep, that's exactly what I decided a few years ago👍 I sat back and watched all the problems people were having trying to go further, looked at the reliability I had enjoyed since the conversion in 2005, and decided not to spend another £ on engine mods. I'm more than happy to acknowledge that my lack of decent lap times has nothing to do with lack of power. Fortunately, getting to Courtenays is no problem for me so can't even be bothered with the Dutch software, too much faffing around, particularly if you don't really know what you are doing.

Edited by PaulCP, 18 June 2015 - 01:59 PM.

[Kieran McC]

It ends up costing around £4000, whether its worth it or not I don't know yet. It isnt the simple straight swap that was the initial impression.

 

Martin S

 

 

 

There is a lot a extra setting up to do its not a straight swap , Still its go fun doing it LOL

[Dan r]

The simple cheap swap exmantaa mentioned sounds simple and cheap enough, I guess the Dutch ECU software would have to be used wouldn't it? How much of the 4k do you think is labour, as I assume someone else is doing it for you for that kind of money?

[Kieran McC]

The simple cheap swap exmantaa mentioned sounds simple and cheap enough, I guess the Dutch ECU software would have to be used wouldn't it? How much of the 4k do you think is labour, as I assume someone else is doing it for you for that kind of money?

You can run on Courtenays software as I do.

[Dan r]

Thanks

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

There are a few options with the mapping

dutch

CS

standalone

 

each have plus points and each do have down sides

 

[JG]

I can't understand why you'd spend 4k on a B207 when a new Z22 on a crate is £3.5k. Straight swap, another ten years of reliable use. 

[fiveoclock]

I can't understand why you'd spend 4k on a B207 when a new Z22 on a crate is £3.5k. Straight swap, another ten years of reliable use. 

My thoughts as well. Thats what I did, mine was £1800 from Now Vauxhall

[The Batman]

I know someone selling an Astra which he had a brand new engine fitted to it. Only done 10k and wants 1200£ Probably get it for less. Has some nice toys in it and the upgraded bumpers and 17" Vauxhall wheels on it

[CHILL Gone DUTCH]

I can't understand why you'd spend 4k on a B207 when a new Z22 on a crate is £3.5k. Straight swap, another ten years of reliable use. 

It's good for a extra 100hp as 2.0 and 150+ hp as a forged 2.2

[PaulCP]

I can't understand why you'd spend 4k on a B207 when a new Z22 on a crate is £3.5k. Straight swap, another ten years of reliable use. 

It's good for a extra 100hp as 2.0 and 150+ hp as a forged 2.2

At which point you need to spend at least another £4000 on gearbox, suspension and brake mods. (Unless you try to fudge it on the cheap and then not get the best out of it, hence defeating the object in the first place)

Edited by PaulCP, 19 June 2015 - 07:36 AM.

[ArticMonkey]

I don't know how it's coming to £4k unless there's lots of upgrades in other areas and an exhaust being bought? B207 £714 Cams £300 Valve springs £150 Oil £40 Engine work and adaptions £300-400 Engine fitting £300-400 Fuel Pump £130-200 Dutch software £650 (current exchange rate) VXR injectors or Siemens £100-140 £2,684-2,994 Safe and good for 320-340bhp with brand new components throughout.

[CocoPops]

Plus Vocky's time to fit all of the above Stuart?

[siztenboots]

can't you leave the cams and valve springs alone , don't take off the cylinder head or anything

[ArticMonkey]

Plus Vocky's time to fit all of the above Stuart?

All part of the engine fitting price IMO. I don't know what he's doing for Martins build but as it's already SC'd the wiring and other associated adaptions are already done. Fitting the mani and SC back on IMO is all part of the engine fitting and the engine has all the same pipe work and fittings if you keep the OEM oil cooler. Charge cooler is already on so that's just plug and play, so only the rear clam needs to come off. Trigger wheel will be made when engine is on the table and coil pack adaption is done using the old z22 one.