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#41 PipSqueak111

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 08:30 AM

like a bunch of monkeys they join together to throw sh1t at the approaching threat in helpless desperation.

ROFLMAO :lol:

I have to say, this thread perfectly exemplifies why we should restrict posting to registered members. This banter is a whole lot of fun for now, but when the abuse and foul language starts to kick-off big time (as it always does from my experience of other forums), it brings the reputation of a site down very quickly. A perfect example is Scooby.net - a once admired forum for information is now a kiddies playground; when people want an example of how forums can go t*ts up, they are usually the first choice (just like now).

If only registered members can post, it stops people pretending to be other people and members can be restricted or barred. It can be done by IP address too, but that's alot more hassle.

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 09:19 AM

Of course you are all right. Let's stop this sensless war. I haven't even got an Elise. Maybe I should call myself VX/Elise Beater. I'll leave you well adjusted people alone now. Happy motoring. Hehehe. :P

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 09:23 AM

girlfriend-free twenties and mid life crises fortysomethings

ROFLMAO :D :D

The thread (so far) has been reasonably lighthearted and as such I'm loathe as yet to restrict postings to registered users only. However I agree that it needs constant monitoring (and I do) and that a time will come when we do exactly that.

I agree that Scoobynet can be a crappy place but that is more of a consequence of its success (in terms of numbers) and I doubt we'll get that big here. We only have 123 registered users but 80 of these are regular posters so I think we're doing OK so far.

If we get threads where non registered users are just being twats then we'll change it.

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 11:33 AM

I think you can guess that none of the spurious posters here owns an Elise..naturally I'm not included in that gang...of Elise owners that is....they're too slow for me, but then I haven't been in a 111S or Sport 190....but I do have to say they are a damn sight better looking than a VX - but if you say that in all other respects they're better, who am I to question your superior knowledge... Frankly, you just can't compare a Caterham SV to a VX unless you are looking to buy it as a weekend use only toy - in which case buy a Caterham R300 (forget about the SV unless you're a fat bu**er or have big feet) own it for a year and then sell it if you don't like it. these are still holding their value and Caterham Cars will take it off your hands at the end of the year - no way you can get a true impression of a Caterham unless you drive it for an extended period of time. Driving a Cat's exactly like driving a 911 - a 5 minute drive in the wrong conditions is going to turn you off one for life...and that's seriously bad news for any petrolhead .... Don't worry about anonymous posters, the Elsie BBS is rife with them. The Caterham one - Blatchat.com logs IPs now and this seems to do the trick

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 11:44 AM

So do we ;) JC, so why not register and be a 'real' person here. You seem to come back a lot :) I agree on your comments on 911's and Caterhams - I've had both over the years and agree they need learning - hence the fun of having them. Agree on SV/R300 too. Every Cat owner I've met (with a few exceptions) has seemed a good bloke, I'm sure with the high numbers of people here who intend or do track their car we're bound to meet up (hopefully not under braking into Redgate ;) )

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Posted 22 January 2003 - 11:55 PM

VX220 over an SV that is a decision that would take all of 30 seconds. :D Caterhams are famed for their electric pace, amazing handling and excellent residual value. THe VX is famed for having the wrongs badge. The VX220 will depreciate like a stone in years to come and it has sold really badly. Badge does matter on these type of cars and that is a set in stone fact. I am surprised they have bothered with a Turbo as they will bin the VX220 in the not too distant future with it having failed to meet all production targets. :huh: As for a VX220 being more practical than an SV hmmm not sure. The SV has a bigger boot than a standard car and the VX220 boot is tiny and right next to a red hot engine. In the Turbo I am sure you will be able to cook a chicken in about 30 minutes in the boot due to all the heat off the turbine. Plus you can always get a luggage rack. On the track the VX loses out big time as it is so lardy (esecially with the windmill version). Not sure how a turbo and the realtively lightweight VX will mix as the turbo tends to be a bit of a bitch in lightweight cars. Nice spec for the SV but get the 15" wheels they are much more aesthetically pleasing, much lighter and you can get more grippy rubber for them. As for crashes I think the most raced production car in the world has a fair bit of inbuilt safety in it. Oh and I had an interesting chat with someone very much in the know who said that several instructors at Bedford had gone down with Carbon Monoxide poisoning from their VX220's! If you want a fun car then a Caterham it simply has to be!

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 08:18 AM

"Dino" we fundamentally agree - that the VX and caterham are not really in the same niche, the Cat being a racer and the VX being a roadster. You are entitled to your opinions re the VX of course, as I am also at liberty to remind posters that the Caterham looked like a coffin nailed to a morque gurney back in 1952 and looks no better now. ;)

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 09:28 AM

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Nice description :rolleyes: .. of course you must get a good look at them as they loom large in the mirrors, blast past, and disappear into the sunset :lol:

But a hearty thumbs up to VX owners for NOT buying an Elise, there are too many of those chino-and-rayban piloted nonsenses in to world as it is.

p.s. you all seem very nice, we usualy get more abuse from the locals on our own planet ;)

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 09:48 AM

Hmmm....Can't imagine much INCLUDING a VX blasting past a sorted Caterfield to be honest...scared the poo out of me when I drive a Caterham on the road - and not just when I caught a glimpse of the cars reflection in Sainsbury's window as I passed :D I have huge respect for caterfields, but they're too compromised for me to use on the road as my main car.Oh, and its hard enough explaining to bystanders that the VX is a Vauxhall, not a lotus : I'd soon get tired of explaining that the Caterfield was a lambo-baiting sportscar car, not just a kit I nailed together with my dad in a lockup in Smethwick !

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 10:16 AM

LOL. The fact that the VX hasn't sold well and is likely to stop being made should help our residuals not hinder. The suggestion the SV is a 'safe' car because it is used extensively in motorsport is laughable - we're talking road safety here which is completely different. They don't design F1 cars to withstand some blind twat in a lorry driving over you do they :rolleyes: CO poisoning :unsure: well I'd hope whatever problem they have was sorted. SV practicality - since when was practicality measured purely on boot space alone, I would suggest weather protection, security, comfort are all considered. 15" wheels :rolleyes: If you're gonna buy a Caterham but it for performance not its looks please.

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 10:26 AM

Some good points made there Dino. Doesn't matter how much your car will be worth in time if no one wants it. Hence the reason why nobody is buying them now. I too think this VXT is going to be iffy. Turbos in general aren't a good thing, especially on an apparently 'lightweight' car like the VX.

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 10:39 AM

Some good points made there Dino.

Doesn't matter how much your car will be worth in time if no one wants it. Hence the reason why nobody is buying them now.

I too think this VXT is going to be iffy. Turbos in general aren't a good thing, especially on an apparently 'lightweight' car like the VX.

I couldn't give a toss whether someone else wants it or not - I'm buying it for me. And anyone who's buys a car as a financial investment has deeper issues methinks :D

The Turbo vs NA argument will never be settled - ever, its down to personal choice. I prefer the feel of a turbo over NA any day of the week. The fact it is in a lightweight car is a matter for how the power is delivered not just simply whether a turbo is fitted or not.

As I assume you're an Elise driver does this mean that you don't like any of the turbo conversion of that?

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 10:42 AM

CO poisoning.......with a catalytic converter.........unlikely I would have thought. You might get a bit of a headache, though. CO2 "poisoning" (suffocating) would be more likely, but you'd need to shut the garage doors, and have a full tank of fuel.......

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 11:03 AM

Caterfield? What is that a collective term for two different cars? I have not said that the VX220 is just like an Elise eventhough they share bits. I am quite aware that they drive and look different. Caterham ugly I don't think so but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I actually think the VX220 is a pretty car except for the nose area and that funny emblem. OK racing is different if you look at same speed accidents but if you see some of the impacts the cars take hitting the tyre walls or barriers that is much more realistic. I have seen photos and actual cars that have been involved in big shunts with various inanimate objects and tintops. All have been impressive in how much protection they afforded the driver. There will be the odd fatality but you have to expect that (I am sure that someone must have been unfortunately killed in a VX220). COmfort on an SV is excellent as with all the cars I have sat in/driven with the new type seats. THey are possibly the most comfortable seats I have sat in and that is no exagerration. OK weather protection is simple but most people who have cars like this want to drive in the sunshine most of the time. If you do get caught in the rain then the SV has a hood that will keep you dry (what more do you want). Security they all have an immobiliser and you can get a removeable steering wheel as there is nothing to steal from the inside what else do you need? I don't buy a car as a financial investment I buy it to have fun. But that said I am damn glad come re-sale that I have a car that is worth more than my pants.

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 11:13 AM

I think thats the point. A caterham is a car for sunny days and tracks (but is a pain in the arse to get to and from the track) and an Elise is a compromise on both. I've not tried the new seats so will defer to your knowledge but seats are only part of the equasion as regards practicality. I think you're point of the roof is a little tenuous as unless they have redesigned it massively it is still a royal pain in the arse to put on :) I part take your point on racing accident speeds but speed isnt the crucial feature - it's angle. Very rarely in any racing accident do you see head on impacts, there is always an angle to the trajectory (tracks are designed for this very purpose) and it dissipates the potential engergy of the crash away from the occupant directly. However the most common form of accident on the road is the 'T' bone or 1/4 on 1/4 collision, primarily at intersections. You can't argue that a Caterham will not do so well. I'm not saying they're dangerous, as you can realise I'm a real fan of them.

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 11:14 AM

Caterhams are famed for their electric pace, amazing handling and excellent residual value. THe VX is famed for having the wrongs badge. The VX220 will depreciate like a stone in years to come and it has sold really badly. Badge does matter on these type of cars and that is a set in stone fact.

The fact it has sold really badly probably means the opposite to what you suggest.

It's not like the Toyota Avensis or old Vectra selling badly, where a production line has churned out thousands upon thousands of them. The VX220 has been more or less built to order, with production runs only really staying a few cars ahead of demand. So selling badly from new doesn't really damage residuals, as there isn't a glut of them flooding the used market. If anything, it means that people who appreciate the fantastic qualities of the VX220 driving experience, who perhaps could not afford the new price of a VX or the badge-inflated used cost of an Elise, will keep demand for the limited number of second hand VXs bouyant and thus keep depreciation slow and stable.

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 11:17 AM

The fact that there won't be another VX after the Turbo (the Solstice, is the likely next type - massively different) is great news, we'll be even rarer :) Think of all the S2 owners looking to upgrade to V6's, then the larger S3 and on and on. I'll just mod my Turbo (very easy to do) and stick with it. :)

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 11:30 AM

Never assume anything Thorney. I'm NOT an Elise driver. What is this obsession with you lot and bloody Elises eh? Badge insecurity is it? You make arguements and then go back on them. One post is 'Well my car won't depreciate so there' and the next is 'I couldn't give a toss if my car is unpopular and you are sad if you buy a car as an investment'. Make your mind up.

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 11:31 AM

I would be looking at a Caterham R300 for that cash. Also why not consider the Elise. A much better chance of holding its value.

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Posted 23 January 2003 - 11:32 AM

Al - :lol:




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