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[BradW]

Still haven't got round to updating the exhaust...but I guess this seems like a good time! Due to insurance reasons and the fact that I don't tend to drive my car that hard, I think I'm likely to stick with the Milltek backbox only (shouldn't need to declare that)...but am tempted to do the remap too. The Milltek backbox appears to be £500, so £400 in this deal? Fitting cost can't be more than an hours work ,can it? (thus <£65) Would this be a while you wait jobbie, or will you enforce the whole day rule you spoke about for such a simple procedure? Also, I assume the remap would be rather quick to finish too? and good luck with it all...looks like you'll have a busy start!

[Smiler]

Depends how rusty ya nuts are!.. John if people are doing this will you be offering a "pre cat removal" service? or is it to much hassle? s

[Thorney]

Still haven't got round to updating the exhaust...but I guess this seems like a good time!
Due to insurance reasons and the fact that I don't tend to drive my car that hard, I think I'm likely to stick with the Milltek backbox only (shouldn't need to declare that)...but am tempted to do the remap too.
The Milltek backbox appears to be £500, so £400 in this deal?
Fitting cost can't be more than an hours work ,can it? (thus <£65)
Would this be a while you wait jobbie, or will you enforce the whole day rule you spoke about for such a simple procedure?
Also, I assume the remap would be rather quick to finish too?

and good luck with it all...looks like you'll have a busy start!

Yes, 20% off is right, £400. And yes, about an hour is right but as Smiler says it does depend on how rusty the stock bolts are, can take 2 hours just to get off if you're unlucky so we'll quote between 1 and 2 hours....only the actual time taken will be billed not some arty farty way of making more money by billing high then getting lucky on the time

Yes, for releatively quick work then while you wait isn't an issue, however we'll still stick with the day rule, I'd rather book you in for the day then call you 2 hours later saying its ready than book you in for 2 hours, run late then bugger up another job cos I want to get yours done right. Thats the problem with workshops, to make money they need to be constantly busy so every snafu that crops up has a knock on effect and cusomers get narked. With our system we're upfront, you WILL have to wait but this wait can be very short. There is flexibility in the system though of course.

Pre cat removal? 4 hours and 10 drill bits at £2 a bit = £315 plus labour to fit. Nice shiny Milltek precat replacement pipe = £223 plus labour to fit. No, we wont be offering to drill out stock precats*
















*pikey fcuker

[Rawr]

Silly opening offers. Nothing applies to me so I feel left out. How about having an open day with free beer and pies?

[caleebra]

Fitting cost can't be more than an hours work ,can it? (thus <£65)

Who you kidding?

[stuH172]

You need special software to install it, however the plan is to be able to remap cars at meets for people if they want

How will this work then - the only experience I've had of re-maps before is on forced induction cars - started with a "generic" re-map then did quite a few RR runs to optimise it before letting loose on the road. Looking at the plot overlays for the various runs showed that the RR optimising/fettling process made a huge difference - so will a "plug and play" approach at meets really work out OK ??

I'm assuming Thorney Motorsport will have it's own rollers ??

(hope this doesn't sound arsey - just want to understand pros and cons, etc)

[Thorney]

Stu, not arsey at all. Basically I've spent hours and hours on the road and RR creating all these maps, all are different depending on what level of tune, if you have a precat only then its a different map to a full system, the level of research and testing has been significant. We don't have our own RR but use others (not just one either) to fine tune all the maps which are then installed on the cars depending on what mods they have. If people then wish to upgrade thier car further we will remap it again for free (same applies if the ECU is wiped). What we basically have is a widest range of maps available for the NA and the VXT. Why no RR? Simple, all tuners use these for is power runs to get a chart for customers and will be offering that too. RR's can only be used for WOT (wide open throttle) measurement and every issue I found with the VX has been on part throttle maps, hence we drive the car on the road with a Tech2 connected and log what the engine is doing, we then inpsect that and if all is fine then customer gets the car. If there is an issue the map is emailed back to Superchips (whose software we use) who then adjust the map accordingly and we then re-run it again. Hence you can see why I'm saying to people we book the car for a whole day. Thats not to say RR's are bad, they're not, they are very useful tools in adjusting maps (and they are certainly faster than mapping on the road) but the WOT issue means you can't be as accurate combined with the fact that you never get enough airfllow (especially for the VXT) to replicate the road so you end up with a compromised map. My view is use RR's for they're useful for and not somekind of alternative to proper development.

[Smiler]

pikey! moi!.. checky fecker!! 233 + discount ? precat replacement? that not just a straight through pipe? just confused.. thought full system was backbox.. and racing cat ? no ? or is the precat pipe ontop of a full system? ok ok.. ya sold me on the full system.. but does it include everything ? pikey.. pha!...

[Thorney]

lol, sorry confused. Yes full system inlcudes the precat pipe (its acutally one unit with the race cat).

[jules_s]

lol, sorry confused. Yes full system inlcudes the precat pipe (its acutally one unit with the race cat).

100 cel race cats yet john?

[Smiler]

ah.. ok so 400 back box.. 233 for cat section ..633 full miltek ?

[Paulmw]

Are the opening offers limited to VXL. I have a friend who would be interested in 'Millteking' is BMW M3.

[MikeS]

Are the opening offers limited to VXL. I have a friend who would be interested in 'Millteking' is BMW M3.

I'm sure the Thornster would be happy to relieve your friend of some money, Ethan's probably due another pair of Sparco shoes

[chiptuning]

Why no RR? Simple, all tuners use these for is power runs to get a chart for customers and will be offering that too. RR's can only be used for WOT (wide open throttle) measurement and every issue I found with the VX has been on part throttle maps, hence we drive the car on the road with a Tech2 connected and log what the engine is doing, we then inpsect that and if all is fine then customer gets the car. If there is an issue the map is emailed back to Superchips (whose software we use) who then adjust the map accordingly and we then re-run it again. Hence you can see why I'm saying to people we book the car for a whole day.

Thats not to say RR's are bad, they're not, they are very useful tools in adjusting maps (and they are certainly faster than mapping on the road) but the WOT issue means you can't be as accurate combined with the fact that you never get enough airfllow (especially for the VXT) to replicate the road so you end up with a compromised map. My view is use RR's for they're useful for and not somekind of alternative to proper development.

Sorry Thorney, I have to disagree. Having owned 2 dynos, you're totally wrong about the WOT thing, and that all tuners only use them for power plots. That sort of imprecise comment can easily confuse people and lead to total misunderstanding. Perhaps AMD's rolling road fit's your views, but ours certainly does not.

Adam.

[Thorney]

lol, sorry confused. Yes full system inlcudes the precat pipe (its acutally one unit with the race cat).

100 cel race cats yet john?

Yes, 100 cell on the VXT but not passed testing (a bit loud) so might not pass.

[Ducati996Senna]

John, looking for more power. I have a courtenay Stage 4. Courtenay charge cooler and hybrid turbo. What power gains can you guarantee me with additional engine work. Can I retain courtenays hydrid turbo and charge cooler? Paul

[Thorney]

Why no RR? Simple, all tuners use these for is power runs to get a chart for customers and will be offering that too. RR's can only be used for WOT (wide open throttle) measurement and every issue I found with the VX has been on part throttle maps, hence we drive the car on the road with a Tech2 connected and log what the engine is doing, we then inpsect that and if all is fine then customer gets the car. If there is an issue the map is emailed back to Superchips (whose software we use) who then adjust the map accordingly and we then re-run it again. Hence you can see why I'm saying to people we book the car for a whole day.

Thats not to say RR's are bad, they're not, they are very useful tools in adjusting maps (and they are certainly faster than mapping on the road) but the WOT issue means you can't be as accurate combined with the fact that you never get enough airfllow (especially for the VXT) to replicate the road so you end up with a compromised map. My view is use RR's for they're useful for and not somekind of alternative to proper development.

Sorry Thorney, I have to disagree. Having owned 2 dynos, you're totally wrong about the WOT thing, and that all tuners only use them for power plots. That sort of imprecise comment can easily confuse people and lead to total misunderstanding. Perhaps AMD's rolling road fit's your views, but ours certainly does not.

Adam.

Adam, fair point, of course not ALL tuners do this but for the vast majority of their use most RR's are simply used to do WOT power runs. It is next to impossible to run a VXT for example at different % throttles without it getting too hot on a RR to make measurements moot.

I don't have an issue with RR's (I'd like one) but my big problem is cooling, mapping a car when its hitting 80 degrees intake temp on the RR is utterly pointless when it runs at only 30degrees on the open road.

Your point is taken though

[Thorney]

John,

looking for more power. I have a courtenay Stage 4. Courtenay charge cooler and hybrid turbo. What power gains can you guarantee me with additional engine work. Can I retain courtenays hydrid turbo and charge cooler?


Paul

Paul, guarrantee? None. What do I think you'll get? Well, you're on Coutenay's version of the CC set up which I assume is as good as the one I designed (that AmD uses), the only difference is that I think its better to retain the IC (which is an excellent design) and Courtenay don't. Looking at the respective numbers there maybe bugger all difference but the fact is we don't know.

The Thorney MS stage 5 is all engine work - ported head, race cams, lightened flywheel, hybrid turbo where the idea is to allow the turbo to run less boost (and drop heat) and get more from 'natural' power from the engine. We estimate (thus far) that 340bhp is achievable with all this work but until we've finished we really don't know. All the Courtenay work you've had done wouldn't be wasted but different mapping work maybe required if their function differs from ours.

[Thorney]

Are the opening offers limited to VXL. I have a friend who would be interested in 'Millteking' is BMW M3.

Give me a shout.....can work out summat but yes, this deal is to launch the VX220 tuning side and not regular exhaust supply/fit. However, always like to help (and I've got a few E46 M3 systems on the shelf )

07718 585 484

[Thorney]

ah.. ok so 400 back box.. 233 for cat section ..633 full miltek ?

Now you're just being obtuse

Deal prices are worked out as mind knumbingly good.......I cant see how anyone could get them cheaper which is why its a limited deal to launch the service. Come August the prices go back up - no excepetions