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[JasonS]

We estimate (thus far) that 340bhp is achievable with all this work

Does it look like it'll be necessary to do hardened driveshafts and an uprated gearbox for this? Perhaps improved engine mounts too given the recent posts from people having problems with them breaking?

[Thorney]

Jason yes, I've also forgotton that stronger pistons are also needed (damn my small brain).

[Smiler]

ah.. ok so 400 back box.. 233 for cat section ..633 full miltek ?

Now you're just being obtuse

yeah sorry...

[simstim]

I think you may well have an order from me. If you could PM me with a price for the map, a service (3 year), and a new set of front pads I'd very much appreciate it. Michael

[M.D]

Can you email me cost of stage 2 for vxr,and when you can fit me in Will I then get a Vxr Tax Disk,I know you said you sent them out ,but never did recieve Regards

[stuH172]

Thorney, Thanks for earlier reply re: RR and re-maps. Having asked around there seems to be quite a few people who have had Stage 2 on n/a and not been particularly impressed with the results. I know it's not all about headline power and torque figures, but I've driven a couple of S2 n/a earlier this year prior to buying - for one the plots indicated +175BHP (optimistic rollers !!?!?) and another only 154BHP. Although I've spoken to a couple of people who commented that it transforms the car, I've been struggling to build up a consistent picture of what the S2 actually delivers for the £££ outlay and how this translates to a better drive on the road and on track. Of course you can't guarantee anything - but it would be useful if you could summarise what the package typically delivers (and therefore what I can be confident of getting) in terms of peak power, power delivery, changes to torque curve and peak torque, that god-damn flat-spot that chaffs me no end each time I go for a blast, driveability, etc. Although keen on the concept of a re-map, you can probably tell that I need a little convincing ( , sorry) - is there any chance of getting a demo in a Stage 2 n/a before I commit to booking up ?? Cheers.

[x-isle]

Probably already been asked but I'm not going through all the messages. When you do a remap, have to access to a rr?

[Timbo]

Im booked in at TMS already for some work, actually its tomorow......oh i forgot to mention its to fit an alternator on a merc 600sl Cheers John p.s come on lads lets support the Thornemeister, where else is Ethan and Esmie going to get there next pair of shoes from

[ianrm]

p.s come on lads lets support the Thornemeister, where else is Ethan and Esmie going to get there next pair of shoes from

TT has a load of spare clothes

[Thorney]

Will send a couple of emails out VXR stage 2 is same price as VXT stage 2 (same basic car but with a hybrid turbo, I'm not about to charge more just cos its a more expensive car Yes, we do have access to a RR on the mapping but no plans to power RR charts as part of the work unless you actually want them, then we can do it. All the diagnositic work is done on the road, however the maps have all been writtin on the road/track and RR.

[njc11]

You should have had a coupe of PM's re full exhaust system and 1144's?? Any chance you can let me know the total cost of everything (fitting exhaust myself) Or shall i just ring you to order?? With fitting the exhaust myself does it come with everything i need, gaskets, bolts etc etc?? Cheers Nick

[MikeS]

Thorney,

Thanks for earlier reply re: RR and re-maps.

Having asked around there seems to be quite a few people who have had Stage 2 on n/a and not been particularly impressed with the results. I know it's not all about headline power and torque figures, but I've driven a couple of S2 n/a earlier this year prior to buying - for one the plots indicated +175BHP (optimistic rollers !!?!?) and another only 154BHP. Although I've spoken to a couple of people who commented that it transforms the car, I've been struggling to build up a consistent picture of what the S2 actually delivers for the £££ outlay and how this translates to a better drive on the road and on track.

Of course you can't guarantee anything - but it would be useful if you could summarise what the package typically delivers (and therefore what I can be confident of getting) in terms of peak power, power delivery, changes to torque curve and peak torque, that god-damn flat-spot that chaffs me no end each time I go for a blast, driveability, etc.

Although keen on the concept of a re-map, you can probably tell that I need a little convincing ( , sorry) - is there any chance of getting a demo in a Stage 2 n/a before I commit to booking up ??

Cheers.

I'll try and give you an idea, my NA is running the TMS S2 setup at the moment.

OK, it's not *that* much more powerful bhp-wise than a standard car, it's ~iro 160bhp, so something like an extra 20bhp depending on the baseline figures for your standard car. 20bhp isn't really noticeable, even on such a lightweight car, what is very noticable though is the vastly improved driveability of the car, some of which relates to the increased revlimit to 6800rpm, but most of it is down to the much improved midrange which I guess is the extra torque it's now producing. It just pulls much stronger in the gears, even 5th (although once it's got to 5000rpm in 5th it's tailing off, 4th still goes pretty hard to just over 6000rpm).

In gear midrange acceleration is simply fantastic, can't believe how much the pick up has improved from 3000rpm upwards so the torque must've gone up. Overtaking is a breeze on the A & B roads, just bung it in 2nd or 3rd and go, it's not *much* slower now than ShinyAndy's old AMD S3. I actually use 2nd for overtaking now, something wouldn't have done before because the engine was just too lethargic and the lower revlimit killed it anyway. Motorway is even more impressive, 80-85 in 5th, plant the throttle and it pushes me back in the seat, almost turbolike push, really is very impressive when compared to standard. In no way has the work compromised the car though, usually there's a trade off to be had somewhere when you start modifying, but there isn't with this. It's easier to drive than before and especially easier to drive when you really want to give it some stick and enjoy yourself.

I'm actually enjoying driving the car again, I'd got seriously bored with it as standard, it just didn't 'do it' for me anymore, whereas now I know it's a strange comparison but it feels 'alive', very very responsive all of the time. I'd fitted Pagid pads 150 miles after buying it and always felt that because of them, the engine couldn't keep up (might sound daft) but now it feels like I've got the umpf to keep up with their ability.

Anyone that lives near me and is thinking of having it done is welcome to come for a ride (I'm over in Herefordshire on the english side of the border)

HTH, any other questions though give me a shout

Mike

[Thorney]

You should have had a coupe of PM's re full exhaust system and 1144's??

Any chance you can let me know the total cost of everything (fitting exhaust myself)

Or shall i just ring you to order??

With fitting the exhaust myself does it come with everything i need, gaskets, bolts etc etc??

Cheers

Nick

Nick, give me a call (07718 585 484) still rushing around putting workshop together so easier that way. Should be getting MIntex prices today but yes, the exhausts come with all the bits you need to fit.

[Smiler]

so ya happy then ?

[Tony_M]

How are you doing with my quote ??? Sorry for pestering you I know you have a lot on at the moment.

[Thorney]

How are you doing with my quote ???

Sorry for pestering you I know you have a lot on at the moment.

Working on it....its a lot to put together and seeing how I can knock the prices down.....if you like I can just add all the separate costs up and give you a total

[Thorney]

Interestingly enough driving Mikes TMS stage 2 back to back with Rubbers AmD stage 3 I reckon Mikes is quicker, certainly feels it. Thinking there is summat wrong with Rubbers stage 3 though so looking into it.

[njc11]

As soon as i have 5 mins i'll give you a buzz!!! If i order today would i get everything before the weekend?? and would you be able to send to my work address?? Cheers Nick

[Thorney]

As soon as i have 5 mins i'll give you a buzz!!!

If i order today would i get everything before the weekend?? and would you be able to send to my work address??

Cheers

Nick

exhaust yes....pads possibly, still awaiting for them to arrive.

[ShinyAndy]

Was always so hard to put into words how the stages made a difference to the cars when in reality on the road and on paper there never really "appeared" to be much difference. Put a s3 car up against a well driven standard car and there was hardly anything in it. As Mike said though nearly all of it is down to feel and response and it turns the car from something pretty dull and uninspired (relatively speaking) into something that's alive and responsive