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[Jaysith]

"Save the animals pc stuff"

I really hope you don't kill spiders, or flies.. or should you get headlice i hope you'd let them live happily; perhaps fleas too?

Edited by Jaysith, 24 September 2008 - 10:18 AM.

[simonlpearce]

Am hoping to get some work done on the VX, its just come back from the menders but could still do with a suspension refurb incl wishbones and bushes etc. Should be fairly straight forward now the clam has been replaced and has all new shiny (easy to remove) bolts!

[Elaine]

Me thinks I should have kept my mouth shut!
Then again, folks should be aware that conservation and land management play a major role in keeping our Great British countryside flourishing.

though how you can enjoy the taste of woodie?

Try marinating the breasts overnight in whisky & marmalade, or skewer cubes with peppers, pineapple, mushrooms, etc for some tasty kebabs. I'm almost slobbering typing this!

I like clay pigeons. Yum yum yum. The ones made of wood aren't as nice.

Edited because, on second thoughts, I don't want to get involved!

Watch out for the splinters!

As for the factory farmed hens (now deleted) bit..... Sadly lots of people (including veggies) eat their by-products without even realising it - RSPCA PDF file of some of the good guys (so you can work out the baddies for yourselves) here.

Loving you longtime,
Elaine and 8 (fully free-range) hens, 4 of them Ex-Batts (saved from slaughter last Saturday).

Edited by Elaine, 24 September 2008 - 03:34 PM.

[The Knobs]

Are all vxers now bloody fitness freaks ? Whats wrong with proper winter hobbies like, winging, moaning about the cold and dark, oh and sleeping of course, always a good way of spending the winter months. I like trackdays in the winter as they are generally drier than in the summer. And we tend to use the motorhome a lot more in the winter.

[Jaysith]

winter gives a great excuse to stay in bed far longer... preferably not alone either!

[Elaine]

winter gives a great excuse to stay in bed far longer... preferably not alone either!

Bed, nah I prefer much more adventurous places.

E.

[Timbo]

Are all vxers now bloody fitness freaks ? Whats wrong with proper winter hobbies like, winging, moaning about the cold and dark, oh and sleeping of course, always a good way of spending the winter months. I like trackdays in the winter as they are generally drier than in the summer. And we tend to use the motorhome a lot more in the winter.

How would you know, you only got it back in the spring

[Jaysith]

winter gives a great excuse to stay in bed far longer... preferably not alone either!

Bed, nah I prefer much more adventurous places.

E.

Touche!

[timmyp]

As for the factory farmed hens (now deleted) bit..... Sadly lots of people (including veggies) eat their by-products without even realising it

That was my point but I'm still staying out of this one

I've started playing rugby again. I'm too unfit and it's too hard but that'll be my main winter thing.

Oh and frosty-morning golf is the best!

Edited by timmyp, 25 September 2008 - 11:55 AM.

[LY_Scott]

ouch. Just got a memory of frosty morning rugby at school. bloody sore.

[slindborg]

ouch. Just got a memory of frosty morning rugby at school. bloody sore.

got more injured from falling over than from being jumped on lol

[LY_Scott]

yeh, worst one I remember was being tackled and cracking my nut off the ground at the same time bursting my nose. suffice to say, I got him back

[siztenboots]

How shooting animals in their natural habitat can be considered a hobby, is utterly utterly beyond me and makes me feel physically sick to the bottom of my stomach, and angry beyond words I hope at least you kill them outright, and none of them are injured and suffer a long, painful, unnecessary death.

Nature certainly doesn't need a helping hand from humans to keep things ticking along - so if something else scoffs pheasants, then so be it. That's the way the food chain works. And who are you exactly to be judging what is and isn't 'vermin', determining which animals are more deserving of life than others, and clearing our countryside of animals which you personally think should be dispensed with, but which I and many others love to experience.

Truly sick. I'm trying to keep this polite, but trust me what's going on in my head isn't - so I think we'd better agree to disagree

The pest are killed outright with a single shot, it's the most humane way of controlling them. Without pest control our countryside wouldn't be what it is....
Maybe you should do some reading up on the subject, then you'd understand the need for it.

E

I just stamp on their little heads .... [crunch] , keeps them off my veg. Fortunately the local birds of prey also pick them off at will, so you often see remnants left over. Likewise rabbits , good eating.

Would love to have a go at a shoot.

[timmyp]

yeh, worst one I remember was being tackled and cracking my nut off the ground at the same time bursting my nose. suffice to say, I got him back

Been playing for years so had a few stories of this sort of thing, all fun and games, well mostly!

I've dislocated my right knee 3 times in the past 5 seasons though, each time it happens it puts an end to my season (and bloody hurts! ), makes me housebound for a couple of weeks and a load of physio...so I've decided if it happens 1 more time I'm gonna stop!

Mind you I've said that twice before...

[Yellow_or_black?]

i try not to let rants wind me up but yours does, i mean no offence YandB, but can you answer a couple of questions?
1. are you a vegan?
2. if no to above have you ever been to an abattoir?

as Elaine says Know your subject before ranting

No offence taken - I'm sorry if you're not familiar with the concept of personal opinion, especially those which aren't the same as yours. I am however hugely amused that you - and everyone else - came to the conclusion that Elaine has done her research and knows her stuff, and I haven't and don't. Neither you, nor the others who posted, know anything about me - not even my name; I would have been very happy to answer any questions before you all jumped up and down in a state of childish ignorance.

As Elaine says - know your subject before ranting

[Elaine]

Received this from the Countryside Alliance yesterday........

1. A united front for shooting 

We are all rightly encouraged to look after and respect animals. Surrounding us are campaigns to end suffering, neglect of pets, donkeys, battery hens - you name it. We all share a desire to end the suffering of animals that are treated badly and rural people take that responsibility extremely seriously. I do, however, get a little uncomfortable when a campaign to end the so-called suffering of a partridge is not dissimilar to that of ending global starvation. When did animals achieve equal status to humans?   

This week is the first Animal Aid "Anti Shooting Week!". The animal rights organisation claims it wants to "highlight the extreme cruelty involved in the breeding and shooting of 'gamebirds'". As we have seen with the passing of the Hunting Act, we must be alive to the threats of animal rights campaigns which focus on emotion rather than fact. The Animal Aid campaign, like many others, relies on emotive language and sentiment, and has a twisted relationship with the truth.  

Shoot providers alone, for example, spend £250 million a year on conservation - five times that of the RSPB (whose Geltsdale reserve in Cumbria has some of the lowest densities of moorland birds found anywhere in the region). An average shoot provider will typically provide 16 days shooting a year, whilst spending a further 155 days on wildlife and habitat management. Shoots cover an area the size of Wales and yet shooting provokes knee-jerk disapproval from the unaware, and the perception that the animal suffers for our gain. It is seldom met with the knowledge that shooting is humane, supports conservation and creates an economic contribution of £1.6 billion to the rural economy. Sentimentalists, it seems, often cannot get beyond their prejudice.  

This week, Animal Aid has also targeted pro shooting MPs and local media in suburban constituencies, encouraging people to apply for a free anti shoot information pack and support the campaign. A quick glimpse on the Animal Aid website and you will see a short film about the "cruelty" of shooting. Look deeper and Animal Aid would have you signed up to supporting a ban on horse racing, to becoming a vegan and never buying a pet again.  

These extreme views are increasingly presented in a credible manner and tone, making our promotion and defence of shooting all the more important. 

Simon Hart 
Chief Executive 

Three documents that will be of use to shoots in this promotion and defence are:  

The Code of Good Shooting Practice - 2008 edition   

Advice on preparing a risk assessment for your shoot 


Making the most of your game - 2008 edition

Have a good Friday all,
E.

[XXX]

I think we need to remember that this is a car owners forum, not an animal rights (or wrongs!) forum. VX owners will have different views on many subjects - we are all different and lead different lives. Peace, Sisters and Brothers -

[SteveA]

erm Trying to learn howto use Reason (Music making package)

I've been using Reason for about 4 years now, its pretty good. I'm moving over to Cubase SX at the moment because it's got loads more flexibility than Reason. What sort of music are you producing?

[Pidgeon]

suffering of a partridge is not dissimilar to that of ending global starvation

It isn't, is it?

The shooting fraternity better watch out. The tree huggers would prefer to target fishing after their 'success' against hunting, but its working class support pushes them towards the decidedly up-market game hunters.

[VXJON]

The Gamebird Industry: It's not a game. It's a disgrace

Catchy



Just had a quick look at the animal aid site

Horses BAD
Pets BAD
Eating meat gives you cancer
Dog Breeders are all Nazis
Vegan good and the only people who will rise up to the left hand of our lord
Farmers BAD
Science BAD


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ffs , just f*ck off back to Waitrose and buy your organic allergen free Italian meal for one