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[Acidpopstar]

Unions will not be happy until everyone is sat at home permanently on full pay. They should be scrapped.

The risk from this virus for anyone not on the vulnerable list is ridiculously small.
I now await "well theres still a risk"
Yes, like there is every single day in everything we do.

My unions at work are trying their hardest to shut down the whole country, how about they try and work with the business instead of dreaming up impossible demands.

Simple thing would be to reduce the teachers to statutory sick pay, then see if they want to come back to work.

Take some LSD.

Stop reading the Mail.

In whichever order you fancy.

You’re like a nazi in nappies man.


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[Zoobeef]

 

Unions will not be happy until everyone is sat at home permanently on full pay. They should be scrapped.

The risk from this virus for anyone not on the vulnerable list is ridiculously small.
I now await "well theres still a risk"
Yes, like there is every single day in everything we do.

My unions at work are trying their hardest to shut down the whole country, how about they try and work with the business instead of dreaming up impossible demands.

Simple thing would be to reduce the teachers to statutory sick pay, then see if they want to come back to work.

Take some LSD.

Stop reading the Mail.

In whichever order you fancy.

You’re like a nazi in nappies man.


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Take some LSD? And become drugged up smack rat hippy?

 

How business going in this climate?

[Foxy]

Here comes the echo chamber! 

[Acidpopstar]

Unions will not be happy until everyone is sat at home permanently on full pay. They should be scrapped.


The risk from this virus for anyone not on the vulnerable list is ridiculously small.

I now await "well theres still a risk"

Yes, like there is every single day in everything we do.


My unions at work are trying their hardest to shut down the whole country, how about they try and work with the business instead of dreaming up impossible demands.


Simple thing would be to reduce the teachers to statutory sick pay, then see if they want to come back to work.

Take some LSD.


Stop reading the Mail.


In whichever order you fancy.


You’re like a nazi in nappies man.



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Take some LSD? And become drugged up smack rat hippy?

How business going in this climate?

Now you sound like a 1950s American anti drug advert 😆


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[Zoobeef]

I suppose you need something to drown your sorrows after the election.

[Acidpopstar]

I suppose you need something to drown your sorrows after the election.

On reflection I think ecstasy would be a better trip for you. It’d bring you closer to other human beings, figuratively and literally. After lock down of course


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[Zoobeef]

Given you teach children its amazing how pro drug abuse you are on a public forum.

 

Oh well, plenty of other jobs around at the minute..

[casino]

Does anyone remember something called LSD? It was one of those experiences /part of growing up at art college in 1981. 
 

Now I might have a bottle of Becks if I’ve got the car with me but I’d rather murder a Leffe or put away three fingers of Vodka at a time and leave the car at home. Drugs? Nah not interested. 

[FLD]

Does anyone remember something called LSD? It was one of those experiences /part of growing up at art college in 1981. 
 

Now I might have a bottle of Becks if I’ve got the car with me but I’d rather murder a Leffe or put away three fingers of Vodka at a time and leave the car at home. Drugs? Nah not interested. 

 

Have you read TIHKAL?

[Rosssco]

 

Does anyone remember something called LSD? It was one of those experiences /part of growing up at art college in 1981. 
 

Now I might have a bottle of Becks if I’ve got the car with me but I’d rather murder a Leffe or put away three fingers of Vodka at a time and leave the car at home. Drugs? Nah not interested. 

 

Have you read TIHKAL?

 

 

Been reading 'How to Change Your Mind' by Michael Pollen - interesting read and good historical perspective other than the "drugs BAD" pi$h that governments indoctrinate you with, especially with respect to the various psychedelics..

[casino]

 

Does anyone remember something called LSD? It was one of those experiences /part of growing up at art college in 1981. 
 

Now I might have a bottle of Becks if I’ve got the car with me but I’d rather murder a Leffe or put away three fingers of Vodka at a time and leave the car at home. Drugs? Nah not interested. 

 

Have you read TIHKAL?

 

No , but I remember a film called naked lunch..

[Zoobeef]

BMA have dropped their support for the teachers unions and now say schools should reopen as the risk to children is extremely low. Funny old thing.

[coldel]

BMA have dropped their support for the teachers unions and now say schools should reopen as the risk to children is extremely low. Funny old thing.

 

...and to add to that statement from the BMA...have dropped their opposition to re-opening schools 'as long as it is safe to do so' and that it has seen 'evidence that the disease offers little risk to children'. HOWEVER it has also said 'there is no consensus in the data on how children spread the disease to adults' - its quite possible the kids could act as carriers and spread this en-masse to anyone they come into contact with.

 

Context is everything. 

 

So the teachers unions challenged the government on providing scientific data and a proper scoped out plan. Which as of last week it had neither. So the challenge was absolutely the right thing to do. Since then the government has gone away and pulled something together to satisfy the BMA to a degree, but their withdrawal of opposition is totally conditional on the statements above, it is not a free for all green light to go back to school unconditionally and some sort of view that it was alright all along. 

Edited by coldel, 20 May 2020 - 02:47 PM.

[Sutol]

Today I met up with MartinS at Goodwood race course. We maintained social distancing between ourselves and with other people. We went for a short walk and when we got back to the car park I was staggered at what I saw I should have taken a photo. There it was an ice cream van with a queue of about 6 people waiting to get their covid flavoured Mr feckin Whippy. Absolutely unbelievable.

[Zoobeef]

 

BMA have dropped their support for the teachers unions and now say schools should reopen as the risk to children is extremely low. Funny old thing.

 

...and to add to that statement from the BMA...have dropped their opposition to re-opening schools 'as long as it is safe to do so' and that it has seen 'evidence that the disease offers little risk to children'. HOWEVER it has also said 'there is no consensus in the data on how children spread the disease to adults' - its quite possible the kids could act as carriers and spread this en-masse to anyone they come into contact with.

 

Context is everything. 

 

So the teachers unions challenged the government on providing scientific data and a proper scoped out plan. Which as of last week it had neither. So the challenge was absolutely the right thing to do. Since then the government has gone away and pulled something together to satisfy the BMA to a degree, but their withdrawal of opposition is totally conditional on the statements above, it is not a free for all green light to go back to school unconditionally and some sort of view that it was alright all along. 

 

 

Icelandic review hasn't found a single instance where a child has infected their parents. 

https://www.national...ecting-parents/

 

Keep damaging children to protect yourself though 

[coldel]

 

 

BMA have dropped their support for the teachers unions and now say schools should reopen as the risk to children is extremely low. Funny old thing.

 

...and to add to that statement from the BMA...have dropped their opposition to re-opening schools 'as long as it is safe to do so' and that it has seen 'evidence that the disease offers little risk to children'. HOWEVER it has also said 'there is no consensus in the data on how children spread the disease to adults' - its quite possible the kids could act as carriers and spread this en-masse to anyone they come into contact with.

 

Context is everything. 

 

So the teachers unions challenged the government on providing scientific data and a proper scoped out plan. Which as of last week it had neither. So the challenge was absolutely the right thing to do. Since then the government has gone away and pulled something together to satisfy the BMA to a degree, but their withdrawal of opposition is totally conditional on the statements above, it is not a free for all green light to go back to school unconditionally and some sort of view that it was alright all along. 

 

 

Icelandic review hasn't found a single instance where a child has infected their parents. 

https://www.national...ecting-parents/

 

Keep damaging children to protect yourself though 

 

 

If you are willing to make a call on the health of a country of 80m vs a country of 300,000 which are by their nature seclusive and isolating in how they live, and that one company has looked at some data early on and come to a conclusion, with caveats. Then knock yourself out. What you are showing is typical confirmation bias, finding the data you need to support your point of view. 

 

The reality is comparative data to our type of country, interactions, much higher levels of concentration of people is still not available. 

 

You could be right, kids don't pass it on. But then again some minor studies three months back said hey send the old people back to the care homes, we have looked at a small sample of data and all is well. And look where that got us. 

 

Kids have been off for a couple of months, we are close to getting a lot more data, they will make it through another month of no school. Lets not make any more stupid poorly thought through decisions (god knows the government have done enough of that already) and do this right.

[Zoobeef]

Added an extra 14m to the population? Who really needs numbers?

 

The reality is that the risk of ill health to children with no existing issues is extremely tiny, the risk to parents of children, is tiny. The unions use terms like "can you guarantee the safety" because they know no-one can and then they'll clap their hands and jump in glee when they can say I told you so when someone with 3 preexisting conditions (that should be isolating themselves away) dies.

 

I'll hold people like you and Neil and John responsible for every excess death that has occurred and will occur over the next 10 years atleast from these extreamest panic ridden measures.

 

Recessions kill people, poor mental health kills people, high unemployment kills people, less taxes and money for the NHS kills people. But you think that those lives are worth less than these current ones.

 

Guy on the radio the other day, his 95 year old mum died with no symptoms, wasn't tested, GP agreed it probably wasn't. But he put corona on the certificate "just to be safe".

A whole new way of death reporting has occurred.

 

Stockholm has a similar population density to London. Whats different there? According to the models it should be a zombie apocalypse by now.

 

Thankfully the message has changed and is changing more, come the 1st June when we relax more and you sit wringing your hands telling all your mates that its too soon, the rest of us will be getting on.

[Zoobeef]

There is a very simple way of sorting the schools.

Kids shouldn't be near vulnerable people, people looking after kids shouldn't be near vulnerable people.

If a child lives with one then they should be kept off school.

If a teacher is vulnerable then they should be off with full pay.

 

Its as simple as that.

 

As soon as we saw that the "lockdown" had hardly made a difference to the infection rate as it had already reduced massively from social distancing measures then its what we should have done.

[coldel]

Who needs numbers? Well that defines how you understand how stuff like this works. I would imagine you would have also wanted old people flung back into care homes 2 months back, you are responsible for that already if you want to toss around stupid comments like you have above.. 

 

The death rate of Iceland is 0.5% of those tested, in the UK its nearly 1.5% that in itself should already be ringing alarm bells to using it as a piece of evidence to support your point of view. Before we even start talking about population dispersal, the Icelandic current approach to schooling and density so on and so forth. You are really on a very simple level of thought if you think you can point people at that web story and think it in anyway shape or form supports the return to school argument, and I mean really simple. 

 

In simple terms, last week the government made a series of stupid comments from telling people to go back to work the following day without informing any businesses to prepare for that to just saying kids go back to school on June 1st without giving the education sector any notice. 

 

I really would love kids to go back to school, I have an 8 year old kicking around the house as we speak, but I will not buy into the argument that we go down the path of knee jerk misinformed decisions that cost lives, again. 

 

[Zoobeef]

Erm, I was highlighting the fact that you cant count. Your estimation that we have 80m in the uk is farcical along with your infected estimation of a few hundred k the other day.

 

You ignored my stockholm comment, the place that is similar to london in density yet didn't lock down. Why aren't they all dead?

 

For some reason you are only counting the actual number of positive tests rather than the Public Health England's (Conservative) estimate that over 10% have had it.

Use those numbers and it puts the infection fatality rate of under 50s at 0.02%.

Obviously that is skewed by the low rate of children but the 44-49 age bracket is 0.1% and everyone under the age of 20 is down at 0.001%

Given the 85-90 bracket is 8% and the 90+ bracket is 14%. I wonder who should isolate?

 

My work was told back in April that we would ramp up from the 18th May, sorry you weren't told personally.

 

Keep jerking that knee though, you look knowledgeable.