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[quimbles]

I had a bad chest infection in Feb, my wife got it and one of my kids. Then my friend got it... They went to hospital and it got diagnosed as pneumonia. They didn't test for covid. Who knows!

[coldel]

It will be interesting to see widespread testing rolled out - we kind of already know through inference and common sense there must be tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases where the symptoms didnt require a hospital visit/test. We are so far behind the curve on testing, thank goodness we are starting to sort ourselves out on this. 

[Zoobeef]

It will be interesting to see widespread testing rolled out - we kind of already know through inference and common sense there must be tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases where the symptoms didnt require a hospital visit/test. We are so far behind the curve on testing, thank goodness we are starting to sort ourselves out on this. 

 

Your estimations are very low.

Millions and millions have had it.

[coldel]

Yeah totally guessing but would be interesting to know for sure! My brother lives with a key worker was sure he had it got tested turns up negative ... I think he was hoping the bad illness he had a couple of months back was it!


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[jonnyboy]

The testing is a tad hit and miss. My pal and his 18 year old son had it about 6 weeks back (wife is a nurse) by the time they got tested they were feeling better and tested negative.

Did anyone catch the show on last night about how Singapore bossed the virus? Extreme tracking and testing. Government provided with your phone gps and credit cards information no dicking about. One woman is thought to have infected 1200 people in a church hall...one woman!

[coldel]

Yeah track and trace combined with testing has always been the solution, Germany got it right ramping up and investing the money early on, we got it badly wrong. It is weird though, even when we are told we are back to level 2 i.e. no social distancing enforced, I would still feel wary of standing close to people! Its now ingrained in my every day!

[Zoobeef]

The new anti body test should be where we focus. And hopefully we will.

[Zoobeef]

Given young children are at a tiny negligible risk (I.e less than other risks they face every day). Yet we are forcing them to miss their education, stopping any social interaction with other children and instilling into them fear of others.

We are doing this purely to look after ourselves and to keep the elderly safe, if this isn't child abuse, I'm not sure what is.

[jonnyboy]

I get the lack of risk with kids in that they dont have the receptors for the virus but they ate still little germ bags fir carrying it by touch surely? Our schools have sent out an email basically asking us not to send the kids back. We decided not to anyway. Its 4 weeks and they are off for summer anyway so seemed a pointless risk.

[Zoobeef]

Its not fully conclusive wether they are asymptomatic spreaders or not, or to what extent. But regardless, keeping them away from schools and friendships is not for their own health.

 

On top of that, most parents are under 45, also an age group with miniscule risk.

[coldel]

The issue is more with the teachers though? They will have no PPE and be highly exposed and although the chance is much lower it’s still real and they are asking teachers to take the risk. Apparently all 9 unions have written a letter saying the reopening plans are ill conceived and putting staff in harms way.


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[ICD]

I get the lack of risk with kids in that they dont have the receptors for the virus but they ate still little germ bags fir carrying it by touch surely? Our schools have sent out an email basically asking us not to send the kids back. We decided not to anyway. Its 4 weeks and they are off for summer anyway so seemed a pointless risk.

 

Hence the undelying planning from day one was always looking at September back to normal, what ever normal looks like by then, with a slow release from June 1st.

 

C19 at this stage will then commence to  becoming the accepted day to day "illness", and before the winter and the normal winter flu death related deaths season starts.

 

The fear always was the pandemic, and however people see it, the good , bad and ugly in many ways it has been controlled as best to allow the NHS to cope with the demand on their resources.

 

What is the Impact on the country and individuals, patients are still dieing but also recovering. The economy will recover, the 2000,s financial crash and more so the 3 day weeks in the early 70's have shown this is possible. Always sunshine at the end of the tunnel, and perhaps Greta whatshername gets her wish with regards to the environment, it would be nice to think so.

[quimbles]

I'm loving not using the car, the day to day one obvs....
Not sure about sending my kids back to school though. There's something in my brain that makes we want to wrap them up in cotton wool.

[coldel]

I agree with all sides of the argument. My 8 year old boy is desperate to interact with children again, chatting to a face on screen really is just a poor substitute. His mental well-being is really being impacted, as is ours! But also it feel unfair that teachers have by the sounds of it been completely ignored in the consultation to the point that 9 unions have allianced to challenge the government on it - teachers on the whole are so committed to the welfare of the children in their care, so if they are challenging the government on this there must be something very real in their concerns. Not an easy one by any means. 

[Zoobeef]

Unions will not be happy until everyone is sat at home permanently on full pay. They should be scrapped.

 

The risk from this virus for anyone not on the vulnerable list is ridiculously small.

I now await "well theres still a risk"

Yes, like there is every single day in everything we do.

 

My unions at work are trying their hardest to shut down the whole country, how about they try and work with the business instead of dreaming up impossible demands.

 

Simple thing would be to reduce the teachers to statutory sick pay, then see if they want to come back to work.

[quimbles]

I'm sure the risk is smaller than the trip to school. But who knows, I'm not sending one child back for 4 weeks before the holidays as an experiment.

It's all moot anyway as we will all be back at work soon. Everybody's got to get paid.

[FLD]

Isn't the risk with children post COVID infection?  There are cases of COVID linked kidney failure and inflammatory disorders.  The problem with this virus is that these things are unknown

[Zoobeef]

https://www.channel4...sks-to-children

 

Some fact checking on the inflammatory illness.

 

Given we aren't going to see a vaccine rolled our for atleast another year or longer, if at all.

Why would schools be safe in September but not now?

[FLD]

https://www.channel4...sks-to-children

 

Some fact checking on the inflammatory illness.

 

Given we aren't going to see a vaccine rolled our for atleast another year or longer, if at all.

Why would schools be safe in September but not now?

 

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Anything on the kidney failure?

[coldel]

I agree some unions are a pain in the backside and almost annually pull out strikes for the sake of their own existence, but to tar all the same way is pretty simple thinking. I was a teacher for a short time and ended up going with NASUWT because they are the least militant and a lot of the things they pushed for employees made a lot of sense, they were nowhere near the levels of the NUT in the respect of militancy and striking and when I was teaching had gone something like decades without any vote on striking. Really, to see them involved in this I would definitely take notice.

 

Its not about schools being safe. Its about the environment being created for the return being as safe as it can be for children and teachers alike. The government announced a roll out of children back to school of pre-school, year 1 and 6 around June 1st and when pressed on it the chief science officer admitted that there was no scientific evidence to drive that decision - I was confused as to why they felt preschool and year 1 would be first in as they are the groups least able to maintain social distancing.

 

Adults are expected to go back to work in businesses where PPE is provided where needed, and social distancing where possible is in place and the business is accredited by the government with doing so and possibly spot checked. Yet the government have done nothing of the sort for schools and when pressed on the plan have done a literal shrug of the shoulders, I can completely understand why the schools have pushed back and asked for clarification why this date has been plucked out the air.