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[Ivor]

The problem with antibody testing and then giving those with antibodies a certificate will encourage "carona" parties.

If that's the case and I'm negative then I'd definitely be actively looking be infected rather than sit at home waiting.

Was pondering this very thing, as time goes on it will better , in terms of freedom of movement, to have had the virus

[jonnyboy]

I don't think I'd be aiming to go out and get it. It appears to like killing fatties for one thing. Have spoken to a couple of people that have a pretty decent chance that they have had it and it's not pleasant. You can see why it's claiming a lot of folk with "underlying health conditions". 

 

The logical way forward that will short cut us back to normality is finding something that fends off the worst of the symptoms. Speaking to a mate that was down with it a couple of weeks back (brought home by NHS partner) it's the shortness of breath bit that's triggering hospital admissions. He only didn't go in because his Mrs recognised that he wasn't critically ill. Most of us would probably like to have a professional opinion on it in the current climate hence a busy NHS.  

[Ivor]

I don't think I'd be aiming to go out and get it. It appears to like killing fatties for one thing. Have spoken to a couple of people that have a pretty decent chance that they have had it and it's not pleasant. You can see why it's claiming a lot of folk with "underlying health conditions".

The logical way forward that will short cut us back to normality is finding something that fends off the worst of the symptoms. Speaking to a mate that was down with it a couple of weeks back (brought home by NHS partner) it's the shortness of breath bit that's triggering hospital admissions. He only didn't go in because his Mrs recognised that he wasn't critically ill. Most of us would probably like to have a professional opinion on it in the current climate hence a busy NHS.

Another thing I've been pondering, are fit people less susceptible?

[Zoobeef]

There is a trend towards it being more likely to kill you if your BMI is over 30. Probably why there is a constant tour de France going passed my house.

 

Given the original restrictions mentioned 3 week blocks I can see it being extended for another 3 with plans being made for reductions/preparing people after 2.

 

How the public is going to react to being told to carry on when 500+ are still being listed as dying every day will be interesting. Just look at the fuss the passport workers have tried to make.

 

Our taxes are paying for 30% of the working population to sit at home when the government hasn't specifically told most of them to close, so it'll be good to make them go back to work.

[ICD]

 

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Another thing I've been pondering, are fit people less susceptible?

 

 

 

I don't think I'd be aiming to go out and get it. It appears to like killing fatties for one thing. Have spoken to a couple of people that have a pretty decent chance that they have had it and it's not pleasant. You can see why it's claiming a lot of folk with "underlying health conditions". 

 

 

Its indiscriminate

 

A friend who runs marathons, total lockdown is at day 4 of being shite, one more day and it worsens then its 999

 

Whilst my mam, 94 with real bad health problems anyway , 3 weeks of ICU, was released 2 days ago into a nursing home

 

In general it will get those that are not  fit of mind and body and have some sort of health issue, but it doesnt stop killing those that dont and are fearless

 

June 1st,ish before any release of lockdown, centered around when the test centres can be up and running to help with the identification that everyone is clamouring for.

 

In the mean time those bored at home, perhaps some vegetable picking to help farmers?

Edited by ICD, 13 April 2020 - 04:13 PM.

[Zoobeef]

Not a chance on June the 1st. We aren't still building more overflow ICU to not use it.

Once levels start to drop you may aswell mix more people to keep levels high.

The modeling has been wrong as it is given we are pretty much at the "peak" and haven't needed any extra yet.

[casino]

So with South Korea now reporting that 91 people who previously twice tested negative are now testing positive does this mean that 'recovered' patients are just as dangerous as those who are infected and not yet recovered?

 

There was a virologist on tv yesterday explaining that after infection this virus mutates differently around the body and so treatment with one drug may kill most of the infective virus but leave a resistant clump somewhere in the body which will later re-infect the patient.  Treatment needs to be with three different drugs simultaneously to be reasonably certain of a complete cure.  At the moment they are working on 50 odd different drugs and have one which looks to be a runner, once they have two more they will be able to develop a combination medication which should work well against this virus.

who was the virologist ? Brit? 

[Madmitch]

Yes he was British, slow spoken and very lucid but I don't recall his name unfortunately, very level headed sort of chap perhaps in his 50s/60s.  He has apparently been researching the subject since the 80s all round the world and I think he said he wrote a book about it but I'm darned if I can find him again.

[casino]

Yes he was British, slow spoken and very lucid but I don't recall his name unfortunately, very level headed sort of chap perhaps in his 50s/60s.  He has apparently been researching the subject since the 80s all round the world and I think he said he wrote a book about it but I'm darned if I can find him again.

We’re friends with one of the team from Imperial, be interesting to run all this past her if she ever gets a breather. 

[Ivor]

Not a chance on June the 1st. We aren't still building more overflow ICU to not use it.
Once levels start to drop you may aswell mix more people to keep levels high.
The modeling has been wrong as it is given we are pretty much at the "peak" and haven't needed any extra yet.

Yep, I can't see lockdown going past 6 weeks, our cases are falling in West Wales, Wales implements its own lockdown so I can see a county by county lifting of lockdown and seeing the effects on cases

[jonnyboy]

Agreed. The situation in London will is totally different to rural Wales or Scotland. In wakefield we are up from 277 to 355 cases over about 4 or 5 days no reports locally of the services struggling in fact its the "empty" hospitals that is the building problem now as all staff have been reassigned to CV. Obviously they have had to prepare for the unknown but they need to undo some of this to deal with the plethora of things that aren't CV that kill you. These days you'd think it's the only cause of death for humans. Early May I think we will see some small steps starting.

[ICD]

.... as all staff have been reassigned to CV. Obviously they have had to prepare for the unknown but they need to undo some of this to deal with the plethora of things that aren't CV that kill you. These days you'd think it's the only cause of death for humans. Early May I think we will see some small steps starting.

 

Jon

 

Not all, especially in Cambs and Herts.

 

I have a friend who is an anethetist still carying out "normal" operations. Trouble is they have to wear full PPP, and they take 3 times as long, so not as many can be carried out. Hence some ops being cancelled.

 

Also a neighbour is still receiving chemo as scheduled.

 

Another who is a midwife.

 

It isnt all hands to the pump (C19) as people (media) would want you to believe
 

[Madmitch]

I hadn't realised the the figures for deaths - in hospitals only - is a week in arrears so, 11,300+ this morning plus 7 days @ say 700+ = say 16,500 approximately plus all those dying in care homes who have not been tested and therefore don't count, I think we are now looking past 20k in total, not good.

 

Lock down here has been extended for another month so mid May is the new release date.

 

Our internet went down yesterday afternoon together with our landline leaving us only with English mobiles.  It all came back at about 9.30 this morning but amazing how instantly and completely cut off one feels. 

[Rosssco]

As Peter Hitchens rightly says:

 

"This is the first pandemic in history where we have isolated the healthy as well as the sick"

[Zoobeef]

I hadn't realised the the figures for deaths - in hospitals only - is a week in arrears so, 11,300+ this morning plus 7 days @ say 700+ = say 16,500 approximately plus all those dying in care homes who have not been tested and therefore don't count, I think we are now looking past 20k in total, not good.

 

Lock down here has been extended for another month so mid May is the new release date.

 

Our internet went down yesterday afternoon together with our landline leaving us only with English mobiles.  It all came back at about 9.30 this morning but amazing how instantly and completely cut off one feels. 

 

Itz not really a week behind, as in yesterday's figures 100+ died on Saturday still. But the total figure they put out was spread over the last week and not on one day.

Once you input the data properly on the days the people died, the maximum so far has been just over 700 in 1 day. Not the 980 people currently think. (This may go up).

The ONS weekly reports will include any care home deaths.

 

It make you wonder why we've gone full retard though, anyone remember the bird flue lockdowns. https://www.google.c...andemic.warning

[myles]

I'm in the midst of leaving the RAF (April 23rd is last day in service) and moving back to Plymouth, into an empty house. The wrinkle is that my daughter is a vulnerable person so we have all been pretty disciplined. However we would like to get out of the married quarter and stop paying two sets of bills, rent, mortgage etc etc.
The next few weeks should be interesting.

[Ormes]

Once we get the situation under some control here I think borders are a key point... What is ultimately more costly?... Closing borders or closing the entire UK and its economy?

[Zoobeef]

Somehow, even though they haven't had the official meeting to discuss it, the Times are reporting that Raab is set to extend until the 7th May (3 weeks). Is there a bank holiday round then? So I assume it'll go passed that too.

They will calculate that more and more people will ignore the lockdown which will work pretty well in staging the release. Just look at Facebook selling groups for the evidence of it being ignored.

[paul_mck]

closing borders is impossible in this day and age. 

[myles]

Bank Holiday was moved from Monday of that week to the Friday - VE Day? That's the week our move is 'provisionally' booked for.