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[Ormes]

closing borders is impossible in this day and age. 

 

Why?
 

[techieboy]

Open borders (even if somewhat more narrow post-Brexit) are a fundamental part of the economy. That's why we've avoided closing Heathrow and the Chunnel etc.

 

A working instant COVID test that only takes 5-10 minutes for a reliable result might be a useful thing to assuage those fcukbookers who want to shoot planes from anywhere else out of the sky, somewhere over the channel. It's not like border control at Heathrow isn't already a pain in the arse for 99.8% of the time anyway so another 10 minutes wasted is no great hardship.

[Zoobeef]

The Mrs went shopping earlier and bought some strongbow with other stuff.

Cheeky doodah on the till said "hope you enjoy your strongbow", obviously has her own opinion on the law.

Hope she enjoys her easily automatable job.

[paul_mck]

 

closing borders is impossible in this day and age. 

 

Why?
 

 

I take it you like stuff? like food etc. 

 

goods flowing in/out alone would be enough to render the exercise fairly futile.

[myles]

closing borders is impossible in this day and age.

Why?

I take it you like stuff? like food etc.

goods flowing in/out alone would be enough to render the exercise fairly futile.

Mmm, stuff..

[Zoobeef]

This table is more interesting and telling as the deaths Re adjusted back to the day they happened. Currently shows a peak on the 8th at 750 deaths. This will change though as we are told about them over the next week or so.

I expect the next few days will be big number announcements to take into account the bank holiday weekend

 

https://thumbsnap.com/pziO6ecd

[techieboy]

Wow, those Iranians are properly clever and appear to be leading the world on diagnosis now:-

 

 

Wonder if they were supplied by that British couple that were flogging bomb detectors to the Iraqi's a few years ago?

 

Think I'll stick with my magic vibrating crystals.

 

 

[Ormes]

closing borders is impossible in this day and age.

Why?

I take it you like stuff? like food etc.

goods flowing in/out alone would be enough to render the exercise fairly futile.

Mmm, stuff..

I'd rather my liberty than stuff right now... I know it's a complex subject and not as black and white as to do or not

[ICD]

For those self employed

 

The online portal will be ready about Monday,ish to start processing deatils, get in early, first come first served

 

The HMG/DWP/HMRC will be paying 80% of salaries for those earning less than £50k, based on accounts for the year up to March 2019 ( in my case), or the last ones declared

 

The payments will be made once they can be verfied and processed, no timescale has been placed

 

Our accountant is doing all of ours, taking the worry out of the problem

 

 

Edited by ICD, 16 April 2020 - 09:47 AM.

[myles]

We are slowly being weaned off 'stuff' in any case.

[Zoobeef]

 

Given the original restrictions mentioned 3 week blocks I can see it being extended for another 3 with plans being made for reductions/preparing people after 2.

 

 

 

So now just for the change of tone getting people back to work.

[Ivor]

Vauxhall looking to start again in a few weeks, looks like companies will lead the exit strategy, not the government

[ICD]

Vauxhall looking to start again in a few weeks, looks like companies will lead the exit strategy, not the government

 

Mmmm, and as it is owned by a French firm that will go down well and frowned upon, dont think so.

 

Next we will be like the democrats in the states, dont think so.

 

 

And then Vauxhall will have a stockpile of unsold stuff, dont think so.

[PaulCP]

This whole “what’s the exit strategy thing” is just a media driven crusade aimed at trapping politicians by pointing out afterwards that their plan didn’t work out. 
As usual, all the media want is a story to be able to sensationalise. Why on earth would anyone give a definitive strategy on what is going to happen in 3 or 6 weeks time when the whole situation is totally unpredictable. 
 

I also see that Austria is now criticising the U.K. for dragging down the European numbers over the number of confirmed cases. Nothing to do with sour grapes over brexit then! No mention of the cover up which happened in the Austrian ski resorts back in Feb!

[Nev]

I hope some of you guys with "spare money" are in the stock markets ATM, confidence is deffo increasing. Easy money to be made by investing in a mid cap fund, even if you've never done something like that before. You might even make a £5er to run your VX for the next year.

[coldel]

This whole “what’s the exit strategy thing” is just a media driven crusade aimed at trapping politicians by pointing out afterwards that their plan didn’t work out. 
As usual, all the media want is a story to be able to sensationalise. Why on earth would anyone give a definitive strategy on what is going to happen in 3 or 6 weeks time when the whole situation is totally unpredictable. 
 

I also see that Austria is now criticising the U.K. for dragging down the European numbers over the number of confirmed cases. Nothing to do with sour grapes over brexit then! No mention of the cover up which happened in the Austrian ski resorts back in Feb!

 

The good questions though are not 'what is the exit strategy' the good questions that have been asked (and until yesterday) and dodged by a government that is still acting reactively. People have been asking for the last week or so, what are the key indicators that will need to change to allow us to relax the lockdown, until yesterday the government had no idea. The same way they are still making an utter ar5e of PPE and other supplies and have been since January when doctors were warning them to stock up on PPE and were roundly ignored. 

 

The sad thing is, all this love for the NHS, it will be forgotten 6 months after we get back to some semblance of normality and people will get back to moaning about waiting times. The Tories will continue to underfund the NHS and run it on a minimum. No lessons will be learnt. It's a real shame, but it's something I almost expect.

[techieboy]

This whole “what’s the exit strategy thing” is just a media driven crusade aimed at trapping politicians by pointing out afterwards that their plan didn’t work out. 
As usual, all the media want is a story to be able to sensationalise. Why on earth would anyone give a definitive strategy on what is going to happen in 3 or 6 weeks time when the whole situation is totally unpredictable.

 

That's been the problem all the way through. I always try to listen to the first question of the post-briefing Q&A and it invariably ends up being a loaded, aggressively phrased question trying to get someone to commit to something or some date so that they can later be skewered by it. I generally like Laura Kuenssberg political reporting but the second the politician says "I believe the first question is from the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg", I know exactly how it's going to go and I turn off shortly after she's managed "Thank you, Prime Minister/Foreign Secretary/whatever". Yet a few hours later on that stupid podcast thing that replaced Andrew Neil, she's much more reasonable and conciliatory.

 

Dropped into QT last night but it was about 30 seconds before Fiona Bruce started asking retarded questions or trying to make a pointless point and killed the whole thing. Shame as I quite liked the Lord Bilimoria and Lisa Nandy's contributions that I did see.

[PaulCP]

For those self employed

 

The online portal will be ready about Monday,ish to start processing deatils, get in early, first come first served

 

The HMG/DWP/HMRC will be paying 80% of salaries for those earning less than £50k, based on accounts for the year up to March 2019 ( in my case), or the last ones declared

 

The payments will be made once they can be verfied and processed, no timescale has been placed

 

Our accountant is doing all of ours, taking the worry out of the problem

Ian, I think the online portal relates to the support available for employers where they are putting employees on furlough. For the self-employed support HMRC have said that we should not make an application and they will write to us directly in June

[ICD]

 

For those self employed

 

The online portal will be ready about Monday,ish to start processing deatils, get in early, first come first served

 

The HMG/DWP/HMRC will be paying 80% of salaries for those earning less than £50k, based on accounts for the year up to March 2019 ( in my case), or the last ones declared

 

The payments will be made once they can be verfied and processed, no timescale has been placed

 

Our accountant is doing all of ours, taking the worry out of the problem

Ian, I think the online portal relates to the support available for employers where they are putting employees on furlough. For the self-employed support HMRC have said that we should not make an application and they will write to us directly in June

 

 

Hi Paul and thanks

 

Info direct from accountant who has good links, and also my own inside information that processes should be up and running shortly

 

I may be wrong, and will stand to be corrected. June is the end date that they hope monies will start flowing.

 

Like all rebates that we are looking for from different sources, I was just trying to get the message across to check every day if its ready. Otherwise you will at the back of the queue.  For example. Easy jet is still about a 4 hour call centre wait,but monies paid within 5 days, unlike Ryanair which is 2 clicks to claim a refund but will take about 30 days to be paid, wtf.

 

This HMRC is a new system that is being built pdq which would normally take up to 6 - 9 minths, and of course has to be reliable, security free, ensure it cannot be abused. The thought process isnt perfect to work on 2019 accounts, some people may have had a crap year , others brilliant compared to now. There may even be people that are closing down their business but will get paid in full. And then of course those self employed who do alot of work in hand for cash and dont put through their books. I bet they did now!

 

Edited by ICD, 17 April 2020 - 01:27 PM.

[Nev]

 

The sad thing is, all this love for the NHS, it will be forgotten 6 months after we get back to some semblance of normality and people will get back to moaning about waiting times. The Tories will continue to underfund the NHS and run it on a minimum. No lessons will be learnt. It's a real shame, but it's something I almost expect.

 

 

Im hopeing there will be a public resurgence of opinion that the NHS should be funded far more (including the necessity of increasing income tax by 1% or 2% to do so). Maybe the politicians will be "forced" to fund it better, due to the groundswell of opinion.
 

Edited by Nev, 17 April 2020 - 06:17 PM.